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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    What you consider terrorists, they consider resistants. Weather you like it or not, weather I like it or not, that's the case.

    I'm glad that there's a left-wing in Israel that realise the crimes of their country, and I'm glad that there are many like me who realise the crimes of my people.

    You cannot deny that the cluster and phosphorous bombs caused unnecessary civilian casualties and they are still causing damage until today.

    Israel is not the just and merciful state that you'd like it to be. I have no problem admitting our mistakes, why are you having so much trouble admitting those that Israel has comitted ?
    Wow. Just wow.
    You keep pressing me to admit mistakes Israel did. That's nice and hippie and peaceful and all, but I don't see any mistakes. Yes, Israel is the just and moral country I'd wish it to be. It is the people of Israel who rule the country, as a democracy, and not some terrorist group that does whatever it wishes. We grow on western values of humanity and justice. We don't kill civilians. Simple and clear, we don't get anything from doing it and we will never murder innocents. That is just wrong, and no matter how many self-hating folks would admit alleged 'mistakes' that Israel did, I would not recognize a mistake that I don't believe my country did.
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Wow. Just wow.
    You keep pressing me to admit mistakes Israel did. That's nice and hippie and peaceful and all, but I don't see any mistakes. Yes, Israel is the just and moral country I'd wish it to be. It is the people of Israel who rule the country, as a democracy, and not some terrorist group that does whatever it wishes. We grow on western values of humanity and justice. We don't kill civilians. Simple and clear, we don't get anything from doing it and we will never murder innocents. That is just wrong, and no matter how many self-hating folks would admit alleged 'mistakes' that Israel did, I would not recognize a mistake that I don't believe my country did.
    The only way this statement is justified is if you believe all Palestinians/Lebanese to be terrorists and not civilians, which is an equally absurd statement.

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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Wow. Just wow.
    You keep pressing me to admit mistakes Israel did. That's nice and hippie and peaceful and all, but I don't see any mistakes. Yes, Israel is the just and moral country I'd wish it to be. It is the people of Israel who rule the country, as a democracy, and not some terrorist group that does whatever it wishes. We grow on western values of humanity and justice. We don't kill civilians. Simple and clear, we don't get anything from doing it and we will never murder innocents. That is just wrong, and no matter how many self-hating folks would admit alleged 'mistakes' that Israel did, I would not recognize a mistake that I don't believe my country did.

    You DO murder innocents, you DO murder civilians, you DO break all the laws of human rights, you DO break U.N. resolutions, you DO use illegal weapons, you DO humiliate elderly people at checkpoints, you DO shoot at ambulances, you DO raid homes, you DO kill children on their way to school.......

    I have seen many of your crimes with my own eyes, you can deny all you want but that does NOT change the reality.
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    The only way this statement is justified is if you believe all Palestinians/Lebanese to be terrorists and not civilians, which is an equally absurd statement.
    My bad, I've meant "We don't murder civilians". Hopefully it'd help you sleep at nights.
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    My bad, I've meant "We don't murder civilians". Hopefully it'd help you sleep at nights.
    If you are bombing an area that is densely populated by civilians, and you are fully aware that the bombs that you drop will kill civilians, then you are intentionally killing civilians.

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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    You DO murder innocents, you DO murder civilians, you DO break all the laws of human rights, you DO break U.N. resolutions, you DO use illegal weapons, you DO humiliate elderly people at checkpoints, you DO shoot at ambulances, you DO raid homes, you DO kill children on their way to school.......

    I have seen many of your crimes with my own eyes, you can deny all you want but that does NOT change the reality.
    No, we don't. You can go on and on with it. In the end, there is only one simple truth.
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    If you are bombing an area that is densely populated by civilians, and you are fully aware that the bombs that you drop will kill civilians, then you are intentionally killing civilians.
    When we are fully aware that the bombs would kill civilians, which means 100% chance that civilians would die, we don't shoot. But in most of the cases we just can't know if civilians would get hurt from the explosion for sure. It's just not possible to know for sure. We do our best to avoid such incidents by dropping leaflets and calling people who live next to the targeted area and warning them. We can't assure a 0% civilians involvement. We wish we could, but it's just not possible.

    Same goes for the US. Do you think they deliberately kill civilians?
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    No, we don't. You can go on and on with it. In the end, there is only one simple truth.
    So can you, you can go on and on denying it, that is not going to get you anywhere.

    I feel comfortable with my covictions, I can see our own crimes and denounce them, I can also see yours and do the same.

    Remain with your convictions, one day the truth is going to hit you hard.
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    When we are fully aware that the bombs would kill civilians, which means 100% chance that civilians would die, we don't shoot. But in most of the cases we just can't know if civilians would get hurt from the explosion for sure. It's just not possible to know for sure. We do our best to avoid such incidents by dropping leaflets and calling people who live next to the targeted area and warning them. We can't assure a 0% civilians involvement. We wish we could, but it's just not possible.

    Same goes for the US. Do you think they deliberately kill civilians?
    Dropping leaflets for people to go WHERE ???

    You told the people in Marjayoun to leave and then you targetted the civilian convoys. You shot at ambulances you bombed refugees who took shelter in U.N. barracks in Qana in 1996... do you want more ??? I can name dozens of war crimes
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    When we are fully aware that the bombs would kill civilians, which means 100% chance that civilians would die, we don't shoot. But in most of the cases we just can't know if civilians would get hurt from the explosion for sure. It's just not possible to know for sure. We do our best to avoid such incidents by dropping leaflets and calling people who live next to the targeted area and warning them. We can't assure a 0% civilians involvement. We wish we could, but it's just not possible.
    When you trap a population of 1.5 million people into 360 sq. km of land and start bombing without allowing anyone to leave and blocking aid, you are deliberately killing civilians.

    Same goes for the US. Do you think they deliberately kill civilians?
    Yes.

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