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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    when you're finished with that, please take a look at this

    here are few marks on the road where the missiles hit the innocents of Marjayoun. But there are the memories of what happened immediately after the Israeli airstrike on the convoy of 3,000 people after dark on 11 August: a 16-year old Christian girl screaming "I want my Daddy" as her father's mutilated body lay a few metres away from her; the town mukhtar discovering that his wife, Collette, had been decapitated by one of the Israeli missiles; the Lebanese Red Cross volunteer who went into the darkness of wartime Lebanon to give water and sandwiches to the refugees and was cut down by another missile, and whose friends could not reach him to save his life.



    There are those who break down when they recall the massacre at Joub Jannine - and there are the Israelis who gave permission to the refugees to leave Marjayoun, who specified what roads they should use, and who then attacked them with pilotless, missile-firing drone aircraft. Five days after being asked to account for the tragedy, they had last night still not bothered to explain how they killed at least seven refugees and wounded 36 others just three days before a UN ceasefire came into effect.



    Robert Fisk: Untold story of the massacre of Marjayoun leaves blame on both sides of the border - Robert Fisk, Commentators - The Independent
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    read the whole article please before you comment.

    Gaza: War, from a distance - TV & Radio, Media - The Independent
    The article didn't tell me something I haven't already known. Al-Jazeera showing dead bodies on their channel ain't really new either. I don't know if they do it to incite hatred or not, but it really doesn't matter as the result is the same result.
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The article didn't tell me something I haven't already known. Al-Jazeera showing dead bodies on their channel ain't really new either. I don't know if they do it to incite hatred or not, but it really doesn't matter as the result is the same result.

    They show it because no other news outlet was allowed in. They were already inside and reporting.

    In short, I have no problems with admitting my people's mistakes and would like to see you do the same.

    The only way to peace is to face our faults and move ahead. Don't you agree ?
    Last edited by Mira; 06-01-09 at 06:58 AM.
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    and there are the Israelis who gave permission to the refugees to leave Marjayoun, who specified what roads they should use, and who then attacked them with pilotless, missile-firing drone aircraft.
    It was no secret that mistakes have been done in the IDF's handling of the operation, mistakes that led to civilian casualties. You can read the IDF report on the operation if you desire more information about it. However, you don't really claim that the IDF has deliberately killed civilians, do you?
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    They show it because no other news outlet was allowed in. They were already inside and reporting.

    In short, I have no problems with admitting my people's mistakes and would like to see you do the same.

    The only way to peace is to face our faults and move ahead. Don't you agree ?
    I completely agree, but that doesn't mean I'll stand for faults I don't believe in.
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I completely agree, but that doesn't mean I'll stand for faults I don't believe in.
    Even when they are put right under your nose ?
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    Even when they are put right under your nose ?
    You can try and put them under my nose but I'll warn you it has an allergic reaction to lies.
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    The Al Jazeera television station admitted Wednesday that its coverage of Israel's release of convicted Lebanese terrorist Samir Kuntar violated the station's own code of ethics. The admission came in response to a threat by Israel's Government Press Office to boycott the satellite channel unless it apologized.

    In an official letter, a copy of which was obtained by Haaretz, Al Jazeera's general director, Khanfar Wadah, wrote that "elements of the program" broadcast in Kuntar's honor on the night of Saturday, July 19, "violated [the station's] Code of Ethics," and he "regards these violations as very serious."

    Al-Jazeera apologizes for 'unethical' coverage of Kuntar release - Haaretz - Israel News
    Was this guy fired?

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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Can we get a source on this OTHER than Al-jazeera? I don't consider them exactly "objective".
    I saw an article on it in the Jerusalem Post yesterday but can't seem to get it again.

    However I found this article today on Uri Avery's site

    Uri Avnery's weekly english article

    I don't know how strong Al-Jazeera was but I think you will find he puts his ideas across quite strongly. From what he says it does look quite concerning.
    Last edited by alexa; 06-01-09 at 12:24 PM.

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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Israel is a nation-state, and this law looks like an attempt to keep it that way.

    Maybe instead of condemning it, Western nations should consider it. Our cultural identities are just as at risk.
    Out cultural identities may or may not be at risk. But as soon as we start authorizing the government to act against the rights and liberties of the individual, we loose this Republic which was fought for, bled for, died for by many patriots before us.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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