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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Christ the head of the Al-Jazeera Beirut office praised Samir Kuntar as a "pan-Arab hero".

    FYI Kuntar crushed the skull of an Israeli 4 year old girl with his rifle butt.

    "Objective" indeed.
    Kuntar was received as a hero in Lebanon because he spent almost 2 decades in an Israeli prison, not because of his horrible crime. I'm in no way justifying his horrid crime and sad to realise that we've come to this.

    I make sure not to stick to only one news source and compare several. I still find Al-Jazeera quite objective compared to Fox News.

    Every media outlet follows a certain political line and not one of them is 100% objective. All I'm saying is that Al-Jazeera is not the voice of Hamas or Hizbollah as some would like to believe. It gives a chance to people from different political backgrounds to express their views, including Israeli views. I'd like to see Fox News do the same.
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    Kuntar was received as a hero in Lebanon because he spent almost 2 decades in an Israeli prison, not because of his horrible crime.
    Um he was sent to prison for his horrible crime? How does murdering a 4 year old and getting sent to prison for 20 years make one a hero?

    I'm in no way justifying his horrid crime and sad to realise that we've come to this.

    I make sure not to stick to only one news source and compare several. I still find Al-Jazeera quite objective compared to Fox News.

    Every media outlet follows a certain political line and not one of them is 100% objective.
    I have never heard any other major news outlet honor a child murderer as a hero.

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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Um he was sent to prison for his horrible crime? How does murdering a 4 year old and getting sent to prison for 20 years make one a hero?
    That should not make one a hero, but things have gone so bad that any prisoner is received as a hero regardless of what he's done. When the IDF was bombarding Gaza, news was out that most of the civilian victims were children, but Israelis were still standing on the outskirts of Gaza and cheering the IDF.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I have never heard any other major news outlet honor a child murderer as a hero.
    I have
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    Kuntar was received as a hero in Lebanon because he spent almost 2 decades in an Israeli prison, not because of his horrible crime.
    Is that supposed to be some sort of an excuse, Mira?
    Was Kuntar truly received as a hero in Lebanon because he spent a lot of time in Israeli prison, for murdering Israeli civilians, or was it just because he murdered Israeli civilians?
    It's hard to face the truth isn't it?
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    The Al Jazeera television station admitted Wednesday that its coverage of Israel's release of convicted Lebanese terrorist Samir Kuntar violated the station's own code of ethics. The admission came in response to a threat by Israel's Government Press Office to boycott the satellite channel unless it apologized.

    In an official letter, a copy of which was obtained by Haaretz, Al Jazeera's general director, Khanfar Wadah, wrote that "elements of the program" broadcast in Kuntar's honor on the night of Saturday, July 19, "violated [the station's] Code of Ethics," and he "regards these violations as very serious."

    Al-Jazeera apologizes for 'unethical' coverage of Kuntar release - Haaretz - Israel News
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Is that supposed to be some sort of an excuse, Mira?
    Was Kuntar truly received as a hero in Lebanon because he spent a lot of time in Israeli prison, for murdering Israeli civilians, or was it just because he murdered Israeli civilians?
    It's hard to face the truth isn't it?

    No, it's unexcusable and I have no trouble facing the truth. I have always criticised those who deserve criticism even when they are my own people. Unfortunately I don't see that happening on the other side.
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    No, it's unexcusable and I have no trouble facing the truth. I have always criticised those who deserve criticism even when they are my own people. Unfortunately I don't see that happening on the other side.
    Who deserves criticism on the other side?
    The IDF, for defending its people in the most morally way possible, dropping leaflets to alarm the citizens before attacking and even calling homes who live near a target building and telling them to clear the way? Is that what you'd call the equal extremist "on the other side"?

    Also, you claimed that the Israeli citizens cheered the IDF even though news came out that most of the deaths are women and children. Well that was because we have an experience with those lies. There was one time some years ago during the Arafat era that the IDF has made a raid on a Palestinian village. Arafat hurried to go to the press and claimed over 3,000 innocents were killed. It was revealed however, after nearly every nation in the world has finished criticizing Israel, that about 50 people died in this raid, and most of them were terrorists.

    Cast Lead operation was no different. Right now we have two casualties figures; the Palestinians' figures and the IDF figures.
    IDF figures claim 709 militants and 295 civilians were killed, while the Palestinian figures claim 491 militants and 926 civilians were killed.
    I know which side to beleive.
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Gaza: War, from a distance
    When Jon Snow went to report on the conflict in Gaza, he was barred from entering the conflict zone, along with other Western journalists. It's wrong, he says


    There have been two versions of the assault on Gaza played out over the past three weeks. One is the moderated account aired in the West; the other is the unexpurgated account of civilian deaths filmed in vivid close-up inside Gaza.

    Has the Western account, restricted by the Israeli ban on journalists in the conflict zone, been so reduced as to dull the scale of protest? Has the volume of images of death injury and destruction played and replayed in the Arab media served to radicalise and enrage the Islamic world still further? Thus creating a gulf so unbridgeable that it defeated even the passage of a unanimous UN call for a ceasefire? I want to take you on a personal journey that I made to the region last week.

    I am standing on the so-called "hill of shame" a strange bump of terrain with three trees on top and a cascade of camera's tents and television dishes pouring down the other side. This is as close as the world's media has come to the Israeli invasion of Gaza. I have been unable to clarify whose "shame" the hill celebrates. Is it the stream of ordinary Israelis who come to cheer the booms of Israeli bombs and shells and the plumes of resulting smoke? Is it the shame of reporters stymied in their attempts to reach Gaza? Either way it has made me think again about war reporting.

    Gaza: War, from a distance - TV & Radio, Media - The Independent
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    Gaza: War, from a distance
    When Jon Snow went to report on the conflict in Gaza, he was barred from entering the conflict zone, along with other Western journalists. It's wrong, he says


    There have been two versions of the assault on Gaza played out over the past three weeks. One is the moderated account aired in the West; the other is the unexpurgated account of civilian deaths filmed in vivid close-up inside Gaza.

    Has the Western account, restricted by the Israeli ban on journalists in the conflict zone, been so reduced as to dull the scale of protest? Has the volume of images of death injury and destruction played and replayed in the Arab media served to radicalise and enrage the Islamic world still further? Thus creating a gulf so unbridgeable that it defeated even the passage of a unanimous UN call for a ceasefire? I want to take you on a personal journey that I made to the region last week.

    I am standing on the so-called "hill of shame" a strange bump of terrain with three trees on top and a cascade of camera's tents and television dishes pouring down the other side. This is as close as the world's media has come to the Israeli invasion of Gaza. I have been unable to clarify whose "shame" the hill celebrates. Is it the stream of ordinary Israelis who come to cheer the booms of Israeli bombs and shells and the plumes of resulting smoke? Is it the shame of reporters stymied in their attempts to reach Gaza? Either way it has made me think again about war reporting.

    Gaza: War, from a distance - TV & Radio, Media - The Independent
    Israel cheers the IDF for defending it, just like every other nation cheers its own army.
    When it bombed Gaza Israelis knew that it does its best to avoid civilian casualties. We also knew it's unavoidable, as the Hamas terrorists just take them as human shields and launch the rockets from their houses.
    Also, about the journalists not being able to get into the strip, that was because journalists tend to run into the danger zone, and we didn't wish to pull a Russia on them.
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    Re: Israel debates 'loyalty' law

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Israel cheers the IDF for defending it, just like every other nation cheers its own army.
    When it bombed Gaza Israelis knew that it does its best to avoid civilian casualties. We also knew it's unavoidable, as the Hamas terrorists just take them as human shields and launch the rockets from their houses.
    Also, about the journalists not being able to get into the strip, that was because journalists tend to run into the danger zone, and we didn't wish to pull a Russia on them.
    read the whole article please before you comment.

    Gaza: War, from a distance - TV & Radio, Media - The Independent
    "True wisdom is less presuming than folly. The wise man doubteth often, and changeth his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubteth not; he knoweth all things but his own ignorance." -- Akhenaton
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