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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'm sorry, but I think this is just another case of the "good old days."
    Times were different, as were the people. It's not totally inconcievable that they - as a general rule - would have acted differently in such a situation. I cannot, for the life of me, picture either of my grandfathers (or any self-respecting man from that generation) standing idly by while something like this happened. The modern social dynamic is one of self-centeredness and sheepish difference. The Great Depression, WWII, Korea....that generation was different.

    Truth of the matter is that most people are pussies and will not do things that place themselves in serious danger in order to help others.
    I would tend to agree, but mostly in regards to modern American society.

    I'm sure that everyone on DP would have immediately jumped into action, disarmed the attacker, tended to the victim's wounds, and then decapitated and crucified the attacker (to show we mean business!), but in the real world, most people are just going to be concerned about themselves, regardless of age or whether they "have testicles."
    I can't speak for anyone else, but I know I would have done something. Throw a chair at the bastard and rush his ass. He's a little azn dude...

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There are certain places that guns just don't belong. Churches and schools top the list to my mind.



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    too bad the criminals don't live in your utopia, I can think of no other place they could be more important.
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Say that to a family where innocent people died to the "over-reaction" of a gunslinger student trying to take down an assailant.

    The innocent death is no more right because it was done by someone trying to stop someone.



    So you built a what if scenario, and now you are arguing it like it's valid? please show evidence to back up what you say....


    How many died at vt again?
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I respect the right of people to own guns in this country. With that said, this thread reminds me why gun nuts scare me.



    Why?


    btw...

    Do you support fire supression systems at schools?
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Oddly enough, I would rather take my chances on a mass murderer than a well intentioned gun nut.



    wow. hoplophobic are we?
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Lot's of sheep with no sheepdog - the wolf attacks.

    Gun or no gun, I wish I had been there; I would have stopped that f*ck.



    Hear hear!!!!



    Like i said in another thread, they stood there and let themselves be killed. it's a damn shame.
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I doubt that sheepdogs would have deterred this guy from anything. He's obviously insane.



    Really? "sheepdogs" deter people like this every day.
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Campuses have a thing called security which can be called in an instant, but like RightinNYC said, there was no avoiding this outcome.



    nonsense, this is the attitude that makes sheep. There is always something that could have been done.....


    And armed and trained populous on campus for one.

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    training training training....... there is always something that could have been done.
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    *sigh* while it might not have actually saved her.. it would have given her better chances had one of the people in that building been armed and gone through ccw training / any type of training with a firearm.

    Teachers, Staff, or Students... Making the argument that your everyday college kid is just a ****up waiting to happen is another bs argument.

    That's like me calling anyone of you liberals a faggot, cause you're a liberal.. It's a broad overstroking generalization that you're making about someone / some people you don't even know.

    Whether you like it or not, violent crime in churches and schools has gone up... we've had how many mass murders around the world in schools last year and this year?

    Personally, I'd have reached into my backpack, drew my glock 23.. and put a .40 caliber sized hole in the guy's head from close range as soon as I knew what was happening. I'd deal with the fallout of having a gun on campus afterwords.

    I'm sorry, but I don't believe in gun free zones on schools... I can't say "not anymore" cause.. I've been to schools where people have been shot and stabbed.... Maybe that's a polarization for me against this whole argument "Guns don't belong at school, or church".

    *shrug*
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    For example, many officers carry their weapons in church.? They are well concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters tucked into the small of their backs.? Anytime you go to some form of religious service, there is a very good chance that a police officer in your congregation is carrying. You will never know if there is such an individual in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to massacre you and your loved ones.

    I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?"






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