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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    I respect the right of people to own guns in this country. With that said, this thread reminds me why gun nuts scare me.

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There are certain places that guns just don't belong. Churches and schools top the list to my mind.
    Oddly enough, guns are banned in such places for the most part...AND in the past year, schools and churches are where mass-murderers have chosen to strike.

    Most mass-murders take place in citizen-disarmament zones. I personally don't want to see more mass murders in churches and schools, so I'd like to see some responsible armed citizens allowed to carry there.

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Oddly enough, guns are banned in such places for the most part...AND in the past year, schools and churches are where mass-murderers have chosen to strike.

    Most mass-murders take place in citizen-disarmament zones. I personally don't want to see more mass murders in churches and schools, so I'd like to see some responsible armed citizens allowed to carry there.

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    Oddly enough, I would rather take my chances on a mass murderer than a well intentioned gun nut.

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I respect the right of people to own guns in this country. With that said, this thread reminds me why gun nuts scare me.
    I scare you? Because I'd rather let responsible armed citizens, who have obtained the required training and jumped through all the hoops required to get a carry permit, be allowed to be armed at places like V-tech, so that things like this girl's decapitation would stand a better chance of being prevented?

    I frankly don't understand your reasoning.

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Oddly enough, I would rather take my chances on a mass murderer than a well intentioned gun nut.
    Sigh. There's that word again, "gun nut". I'm starting to feel about that phrase much like an African-American feels about the n-word. A label used to depict an unfair stereotype and brand someone as "out there", simply because they are different.

    I can only assume that you have this viewpoint because you don't understand people who believe in armed self-defense, don't realize that many of them are reasonable people who sincerely hope they never need their guns, and who often have skills equal if not superior to the average street cop.

    Forgive me, but I have this silly mental image of some nutjob holding you down sawing on your neck with a knife, like this poor girl, and you saying to me "No! Don't shoot him! I'd rather take my chances with him sawing my head off that some gun nut trying to save me!"

    Pretty ludicrous, isn't it? You know, I bet SHE thought "it couldn't happen to her" a few days ago too.

    I wish you well then, in trusting to luck to protect you. I'll even wish that if you ever find yourself in such need, that some "gun nut" saves you despite yourself.

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    You don't understand. There are gun rights people(I am one), gun users, and gun nuts.

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You don't understand. There are gun rights people(I am one), gun users, and gun nuts.

    Well, as best I can understand what you're saying, you seem to classify anyone with a carry permit and the willingness to act in defense of others, a "gun nut". If it is not so, then please clarify.

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Government-enforced helplessness (aka "gun control") kills. Big time.

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Let me take a wild guess and assume that RinNYC, Redress and TNE would all have been "okay with it", if an armed campus security officer had walked in, seen what was going on, taken careful aim, and shot the perp in the act, saving the victim?

    If so, explain how this differs from a lawfully armed citizen doing the same thing?

    Don't say training and experience. I've been a cop; I was not impressed with most cop's gun skills.


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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    lol, no. I dismissed it because it's ****ty data that doesn't prove anything. It's like comparing the number of people who go bankrupt in NY to the number of people who miss a credit card payment in CA and using that to draw conclusions about which state has more bankruptcies.



    My bad, I forgot that two individual incidents on one side automatically outweigh hypothetical information about a policy that doesn't actually exist, despite the total lack of evidence that said hypothetical policy would have actually impacted either event.

    Spin it any way you want bud. I've supported my points with facts, and you haven't.

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