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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Not your property, not your rules. That's that. Don't like schools which won't allow you to carry on campus, don't go to schools that won't allow you to carry on campus. What you're wishing to do is going to open a can of worms in which no one wins.
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not your property, not your rules. That's that. Don't like schools which won't allow you to carry on campus, don't go to schools that won't allow you to carry on campus. What you're wishing to do is going to open a can of worms in which no one wins.
    Yeah I guess.. it just pisses me off to no end that they see a problem of rising violence..

    Yet they hide behind this.. "Schools are safe" facade, while people are dying.. and they're actively denying people a right to protect themselves.

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I agree with this to a point, but on both sides.

    I remember when you had recent killings involving a bunch of guns people started coming out of the woodwork saying we needed more gun laws.

    It'd be like looking at this and going...

    "We need to ban knives! Knives kill people! This guy probably walked int oa Bed Bath and Beyond and got his killing tool. Knives are made to stab things, which kills things, so they must be banned cause this person used one".
    Absolutely! I hate this worse than the other actually, since it is liberals in the case you describe doing it, and get embarrassed by them.

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    if I'm actively denied the right to protect myself.. those that are denying that right are responsible for my safety. As they're the ones that put me in to that situation.



    I agree, in NYC however, it was determined that the police are under no "legal obligation" for your security.
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I agree, in NYC however, it was determined that the police are under no "legal obligation" for your security.
    Im not sure there would be a single police officer in the country if Officers were under "legal obligation" for your security.
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Im not sure there would be a single police officer in the country if Officers were under "legal obligation" for your security.



    there isn't. And they shouldn't be. That said, we should not be barred from choosing the right tools to be the arbritrators of ours own security.
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    That said, we should not be barred from choosing the right tools to be the arbritrators of ours own security.
    I completely stand by your statement.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'm sorry, but I think this is just another case of the "good old days." Truth of the matter is that most people are pussies and will not do things that place themselves in serious danger in order to help others. I'm sure that everyone on DP would have immediately jumped into action, disarmed the attacker, tended to the victim's wounds, and then decapitated and crucified the attacker (to show we mean business!), but in the real world, most people are just going to be concerned about themselves, regardless of age or whether they "have testicles."
    It boils down to basic human deceny IMO, one would have to be very callous to stand by and watch someone get murdered at knifepoint, surely someone could have rallied at least a few counter attackers to action, a knife is worthless in a situation where multiple people have armed themselves with something, this was a cafe, so there had to be trays, ceramic cups for bludgeoning, chairs, and silverware.
    With any luck the attacker would have acquiesed until security could apprehend him, but as it stands, he had free reign over the situation.
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So here is another scenario for you, the campus allows guns and a criminal goes on a shootting spree. A student fires at the criminal, but hits and kills an innocent person. Both the criminal and innocent person die.

    Is the campus held responsible for allowing guns? Is the student that fired at the criminal? I would be willing to bet in a heartbeat that the family of the innocent person would sue and win.
    Every mass shooting spree has occured in "gun free zones". Obviously this policy is failing to make student safe, however the "What if someone shoots the wrong person" argument is strong enough for some to deny people the chance to save themselves.

    Amazing.
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Every mass shooting spree has occured in "gun free zones". Obviously this policy is failing to make student safe, however the "What if someone shoots the wrong person" argument is strong enough for some to deny people the chance to save themselves.

    Amazing.
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