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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

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    Now you know you would call me on anecdotal evidence. Overall, college campuses are very safe, calling for guns on campuses to prevent a madman who 99.9999999999 % or so of college students will never encounter is silly.
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

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    I made it up. I am the only one who has sourced murder rates on college campuses in this thread tho.

    Sorry if it was misleading, I thought it was outrageous enough to be obviously exaggerated.

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I made it up. I am the only one who has sourced murder rates on college campuses in this thread tho.

    Sorry if it was misleading, I thought it was outrageous enough to be obviously exaggerated.
    Now do you see how demanding source every time you disagree with someone is such a cop out?
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Now do you see how demanding source every time you disagree with someone is such a cop out?
    Ummm, I did not do that. I demand a source when some one makes a claim I find suspect. I expect people to do the same to me. Or are you saying you made up your claim that "Mass Murders outside of HUGE terrorist attacks have occurred more at Educational Facilities in the last Decade than anywhere else"?

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Ummm, I did not do that. I demand a source when some one makes a claim I find suspect. I expect people to do the same to me. Or are you saying you made up your claim that "Mass Murders outside of HUGE terrorist attacks have occurred more at Educational Facilities in the last Decade than anywhere else"?
    Im basing that statement off of the many school shootings we have experienced in the last decade that have made national news.

    No other individually identifiable classification of area had made such an impact in the national spotlight.
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Im basing that statement off of the many school shootings we have experienced in the last decade that have made national news.

    No other individually identifiable classification of area had made such an impact in the national spotlight.
    I am interested in stats. How many die per year? What is the overall death rate? Without things like that, we are just making guesses. The most recent year I found numbers on, there was a total of zero murders on campuses.

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The only statistic that matters right now if that the Wings are up two games to none!

    I am not really arguing against guns much here. I do think guns on campuses and churches and courthouses are bad, but that is about it. I am arguing against the idea that people should worry or change what they do in reaction to an occasional lunatic.
    I agree with this to a point, but on both sides.

    I remember when you had recent killings involving a bunch of guns people started coming out of the woodwork saying we needed more gun laws.

    It'd be like looking at this and going...

    "We need to ban knives! Knives kill people! This guy probably walked int oa Bed Bath and Beyond and got his killing tool. Knives are made to stab things, which kills things, so they must be banned cause this person used one".

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    You got maybe a cafeteria full of students. What situation would be easier to shoot somebody who is shooting people? Odds are he's not even looking your way. You just shoot him.

    He could kill 50 people before police arrive. Either he's going to run out of bullets or somebody has to shoot him.

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

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    Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com


    I'm so very glad that they highlight the fact that this guy called 911...

    So awesome that everyone ran or stood around while he cut her head off.

    If I didn't have my gun (fat chance)... I would have beat this guy to death with a ****ing chair, or some other blunt object.. but I SURE as hell wouldn't have stood around and watched him cut her head off.


    I wonder when the first lawsuit will pop up... because the school that won't let students protect themselves cannot provide adequate protections for those who are attacked will be.

    I hope this little Asian girl's family sues the **** out of VT for making her another defenseless little sheep... and letting her get slaughtered.
    I'm all for carrying guns, concealed or open it doesn't matter I think people should be free to do both without having to get permits from the government. However, I also do not think this can be VT's fault at all, they didn't control this bastard. The only person at fault is the one who committed the crime. Maybe if you allowed guns someone with a gun maybe would have been at the right place at the right time and maybe would have done something about it. Allowing guns doesn't gaurantee that people will carry and fight back. Look at what happened in the cafeteria. You wouldn't even need guns to have stopped that, or even if you couldn't stop the murder stopping the murderer would have been easily accomplished with just a few of the people who ran out screaming for their own life.

    I will argue that college students should be allowed to carry on campus. I will say that it's best always to have the option to fight back, and that it's usually the right course to take as well. But I won't say that VT shares any guilt for the sins committed by this crazy bastard. Nor do I think there can be any proper lawsuit which comes from it. It's a sad and unfortunate event; and that's that.
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm all for carrying guns, concealed or open it doesn't matter I think people should be free to do both without having to get permits from the government. However, I also do not think this can be VT's fault at all, they didn't control this bastard. The only person at fault is the one who committed the crime. Maybe if you allowed guns someone with a gun maybe would have been at the right place at the right time and maybe would have done something about it. Allowing guns doesn't gaurantee that people will carry and fight back. Look at what happened in the cafeteria. You wouldn't even need guns to have stopped that, or even if you couldn't stop the murder stopping the murderer would have been easily accomplished with just a few of the people who ran out screaming for their own life.

    I will argue that college students should be allowed to carry on campus. I will say that it's best always to have the option to fight back, and that it's usually the right course to take as well. But I won't say that VT shares any guilt for the sins committed by this crazy bastard. Nor do I think there can be any proper lawsuit which comes from it. It's a sad and unfortunate event; and that's that.

    if I'm actively denied the right to protect myself.. those that are denying that right are responsible for my safety. As they're the ones that put me in to that situation.
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