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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So here is another scenario for you, the campus allows guns and a criminal goes on a shootting spree. A student fires at the criminal, but hits and kills an innocent person. Both the criminal and innocent person die.

    Is the campus held responsible for allowing guns? Is the student that fired at the criminal? I would be willing to bet in a heartbeat that the family of the innocent person would sue and win.
    One innocent person dies as opposed to the 30 that would have been slaughtered by the criminal?

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tase Me Bro View Post
    One innocent person dies as opposed to the 30 that would have been slaughtered by the criminal?
    This guy killed 1.
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This guy killed 1.

    I expect he was referring to the previous V-tech massacre.

    Hard to keep track, I know. Those no-gun policies really work wonders don't they?

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I expect he was referring to the previous V-tech massacre.

    Hard to keep track, I know. Those no-gun policies really work wonders don't they?
    Yeah, the death rate on college campuses is just off the chart. Must be, maybe 1 or 2 a year, maybe less. Most recent stats I find is 2004(from a 2008 report), that year there was a total of zero murders on campus.

    This whole idea that college campuses are somehow unsafe is just false.

    Source: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cle0405.pdf

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yeah, the death rate on college campuses is just off the chart. Must be, maybe 1 or 2 a year, maybe less. Most recent stats I find is 2004(from a 2008 report), that year there was a total of zero murders on campus.

    This whole idea that college campuses are somehow unsafe is just false.

    Source: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cle0405.pdf
    Compared to how many from last year?


    32 was the number at VT.. combine that with others.

    Seems like the No Gun policies are working wonders.
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Compared to how many from last year?


    32 was the number at VT.. combine that with others.

    Seems like the No Gun policies are working wonders.
    That is an aberration, not the norm. Go ahead, find me some stats, I found the best I could while being distracted, you are welcome to do better.

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    In 1990, there were 2,245 homicides and a population of 7,322,564, for a homicide rate of 30.65 per 100,000.

    In 2007, there were 497 homicides and a population of approx 8,300,000, for a homicide rate of 5.98 per 100,000.

    That's an 80.5% drop in a 17 year period.

    Numbers calculated via calculator, teh googel and wikipedia.
    For confirmation, see: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/01/ny...07&oref=slogin



    can you compare the reduction of crime due to Guliani's approach to crime, compared to other cities, that are less restrictive on guns?
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    can you compare the reduction of crime due to Guliani's approach to crime, compared to other cities, that are less restrictive on guns?
    Try here. Not sure if it is there, but can get by state: Bureau of Justice Statistics Home page

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Blah. Even I'm getting tired of this thread. Same old crap, round and round.

    Is not, is too.

    Is not, is too.

    Is not, is too.

    Guns bad. Guns good. Guns bad. Guns good.

    Whatever. I'm working with my state grassroots organization to change the carry laws in my state, removing many of the restrictions including those against permit-holders carrying in schools. We almost got it last year, we'll keep trying until we get it passed. Then we'll have something real to talk about, about how this presumed rash of accidental shootings at colleges in SC didn't happen, just like the initial "wild west scenario" hysteria over shall-issue permits didn't happen.

    Where's Tucker Case when you need him? He'd say something different.

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yeah, the death rate on college campuses is just off the chart. Must be, maybe 1 or 2 a year, maybe less. Most recent stats I find is 2004(from a 2008 report), that year there was a total of zero murders on campus.

    This whole idea that college campuses are somehow unsafe is just false.

    Source: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cle0405.pdf

    You are absolutley right, the "fear" argument is used on both sides... however...

    Question. if you are that one, what do statistics matter?

    Statistice I have produced have clearly showed that more guns to not equal more death. so, personally if something made you safer... then..... what do you do?


    I went to UNM part time when I was in the service. I carried a "derringer" in my front pocket cause the bike ride from central to the wyoming gate was more than interesting.....


    there was a shooting by a madman one night, half hour after I left.


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