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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    so whats your point? all i see from you is fact lacking hysteria.
    That you saying she would have been better off if the campus had allowed guns is just another "what-if". The hysteria is coming from you.

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Whenever you're ready to post links to those facts with nonpartisan analysis of the data--I'd be happy to read it.

    Until that time you got jack, buddy.

    The reasons for a crime drop in a certain area are varied and complicated. People usually end up studying it from an angle that will give them the results they want.

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    partisan?

    what part of "a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig" is giving you pause?




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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    That you saying she would have been better off if the campus had allowed guns is just another "what-if". The hysteria is coming from you.



    Nonsense, I used a clinton justice department study to shatter your position.


    also note:


    * Concealed carry laws have reduced murder and crime rates in the states that have enacted them. According to a comprehensive study which reviewed crime statistics in every county in the United States from 1977 to 1992, states which passed concealed carry laws reduced their rate of murder by 8.5%, rape by 5%, aggravated assault by 7% and robbery by 3%. joh lott more guns less crime
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Nonsense, I used a clinton justice department study to shatter your position.
    No you posed a what-if scenario, have fun. But hey have fun with the last word.

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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No you posed a what-if scenario, have fun.


    I'll repeat:


    also note:


    Concealed carry laws have reduced murder and crime rates in the states that have enacted them. According to a comprehensive study which reviewed crime statistics in every county in the United States from 1977 to 1992, states which passed concealed carry laws reduced their rate of murder by 8.5%, rape by 5%, aggravated assault by 7% and robbery by 3%. joh lott more guns less crime



    i have posted facts, studies, etc. you post hysterics. you have no arguable position, FAIL.
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    According to a comprehensive study which reviewed crime statistics in every county in the United States from 1977 to 1992, states which passed concealed carry laws reduced their rate of murder by 8.5%, rape by 5%, aggravated assault by 7% and robbery by 3%. joh lott more guns less crime[/I]
    What happened to the crime rate in states that did not pass concealed carry laws?
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    What happened to the crime rate in states that did not pass concealed carry laws?


    I dunno.



    also pertaining to TNE's damsel in distress:



    As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse -Kleck and Gertz, "Armed Resistance to Crime," at 173, 185.
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I dunno.
    That would be kind of important in determining what those statistics mean.
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    That would be kind of important in determining what those statistics mean.



    well lets look at florida then:


    Florida: concealed carry helps slash the murder rate in the state. In the fifteen years following the passage of Florida's concealed carry law in 1987, over 800,000 permits to carry firearms were issued to people in the state.FBI reports show that the homicide rate in Florida, which in 1987 was much higher than the national average, fell 52% during that 15-year period—thus putting the Florida rate below the national average.



    -Florida’s murder rate was 11.4 per 100,000 in 1987, but only 5.5 in 2002. Compare Federal Bureau of Investigation, "Crime in the United States," Uniform Crime Reports, (1988): 7, 53; and FBI, (2003):19, 79.
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    Re: Horrifying Details Emerge in Hearing on Virginia Tech Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    well lets look at florida then:

    Florida: concealed carry helps slash the murder rate in the state. In the fifteen years following the passage of Florida's concealed carry law in 1987, over 800,000 permits to carry firearms were issued to people in the state.FBI reports show that the homicide rate in Florida, which in 1987 was much higher than the national average, fell 52% during that 15-year period—thus putting the Florida rate below the national average.

    -Florida’s murder rate was 11.4 per 100,000 in 1987, but only 5.5 in 2002. Compare Federal Bureau of Investigation, "Crime in the United States," Uniform Crime Reports, (1988): 7, 53; and FBI, (2003):19, 79.
    Again, these statistics are useless unless they're controlled for other factors such as wealth, race, population, national factors, etc.

    The homicide rate between 1991 and 2006 dropped by around 80% in NYC, and we didn't allow concealed carry. Does that mean that banning guns works? No.
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