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    Re: "US violated Geneva Conventions" - Gen Petraeus

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    So, rather than think for yourself, you simply differ to an authority figure?
    Hey he said it not me. Why should I have to fact check him. I just think that you are like the rest of the right all up inside yourself that we got caught and you want to justify it. If it were turned around you would be standing on a soap box screaming that they tortured our people.
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    Re: "US violated Geneva Conventions" - Gen Petraeus

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Why not just answer the question and see where it goes?
    Yes he should answer the question. I already have.
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    Re: "US violated Geneva Conventions" - Gen Petraeus

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    That's where we differ. The military needs to STFU about policy matters and leave it to the politicians and pundits.
    I seem to think when you are wrong you are wrong. If the troops stopped following wrong orders there would not be a problem.
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    Re: "US violated Geneva Conventions" - Gen Petraeus

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    Petraeus seem to think we did violate the convention. I would go with his expertise before I would think you were correct. I tend to side that he is correct. so would you be pissed if they were torturing US civilians in the name of the war on terror?
    I too would like to hear Petraus explanation of Ethreal's question. I have great respect for his wisdom he showed with Iraq, and would appreciate a detailed explanation from a high ranking military command person such as himself. But Ethreal is posing a valid question, and nobody is answering it, instead, just defaulting to the opinion of someone else.

    I've read the articles of the Geneva Conventions that apply to the situation. They don't apply to the kind of combatant we currently face. If our US citizens were attacking Iranian interests, in the same manner that the Taliban and other insurgents/combatants do, then they would not deserve protections under the Geneva Conventions either. I hope that answers your question. Now if someone would answer Ethereal's...........
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    Re: "US violated Geneva Conventions" - Gen Petraeus

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I'm not justifying anything. I'm asking you a simple god-damned question, one which you seem pathologically incapable of answering. Let's try again...

    How can one violate the Geneva Conventions when the Geneva Conventions don't apply to the people in question?
    You mean many innocent people who were scooped up and wisked away and tortured and raped in order to gain false intelligence supports Cheney's dream of a Saddam/9-11 connection? Which has never been proven.

    Bush and Cheney screw up by letting their guard down and being totally, most likely willingly, asleep when we were attacked on 9-11 and others, many innocent, get tortured for it.

    Crap that is sick and crazy.

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    Re: "US violated Geneva Conventions" - Gen Petraeus

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    Why should I have to fact check him.
    Sorry, I wasn't aware that you sheepishly differ to authority figures in matters of such import.

    got caught and you want to justify it. If it were turned around you would be standing on a soap box screaming that they tortured our people.
    Iím not justifying anything. I just asked a question. Why canít you answer it?

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    Re: "US violated Geneva Conventions" - Gen Petraeus

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    You mean many innocent people who were scooped up and wisked away and tortured and raped in order to gain false intelligence supports Cheney's dream of a Saddam/9-11 connection? Which has never been proven.

    Bush and Cheney screw up by letting their guard down and being totally, most likely willingly, asleep when we were attacked on 9-11 and others, many innocent, get tortured for it.

    Crap that is sick and crazy.
    You are the third person who has failed to answer a simple question. I wonder how many times I will ask the question before I get an answer...

    How can one violate the Geneva Conventions when the Geneva Conventions don't apply to the people in question?

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    Re: "US violated Geneva Conventions" - Gen Petraeus

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    How can one violate the Geneva Conventions when the Geneva Conventions don't apply to the people in question?
    And who decides these people don't apply to the geneva convention?

    Because there are people of intelligence that say they should apply and there are people of intelligence that say the shouldn't apply.

    Let the lawyers fight it out, which is exactly what might happen.

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    Re: "US violated Geneva Conventions" - Gen Petraeus

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And who decides these people don't apply to the geneva convention?
    There is no who. The question is "what" decides. Right now the Geneva Conventions don't cover this situation, as far as I can see from having read the pertinent Articles.

    In one of the threads here recently, I stated that there needed to be a set of laws made to be applicable for this kind of situation. As it stands, none currently do. Personally, I think an amendment to the Geneva Conventions, makes the most sense. But I haven't seen anybody of note, push for such an amendment.
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    Re: "US violated Geneva Conventions" - Gen Petraeus

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I'm not justifying anything. I'm asking you a simple god-damned question, one which you seem pathologically incapable of answering. Let's try again...

    How can one violate the Geneva Conventions when the Geneva Conventions don't apply to the people in question?
    I don't know that we didn't violate the Geneva Convention. We have the CENTCOM ****ing commander saying we violated the Geneva Convention, John McCain said we violated the Geneva Convention, we have federal judges saying we violated the Geneva Convention, the Supreme Court said we violated the Geneva Convention, and we have dozens of governments around the world saying we violated the Geneva Convention.

    I'm going to go ahead and take Petraeus' word that we violated the Geneva Convention. I'll let you speculate as to what he is specifically talking about.
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