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    Re: "US violated Geneva Conventions" - Gen Petraeus

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    Re: "US violated Geneva Conventions" - Gen Petraeus

    Aside from Bush claiming that the Geneva Convention did not cover these terrorists, what specifically is pointed to (the GCs themselves, domestic and international law, etc.) to support this claim.

    Reading the Geneva Convention it seems very clear that these guys are covered and torture is not allowed to be used on them.
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    Re: "US violated Geneva Conventions" - Gen Petraeus

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Reading the Geneva Convention it seems very clear that these guys are covered and torture is not allowed to be used on them.
    Hmm what accords are you reading??? I guess you missed the part that not one terrorist Group list on the UN List or Interpol have evr signed the Geneva Accords and that under the Accords they(The Accords) apply to standing Arm Force's.

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    Re: "US violated Geneva Conventions" - Gen Petraeus

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Aside from Bush claiming that the Geneva Convention did not cover these terrorists, what specifically is pointed to (the GCs themselves, domestic and international law, etc.) to support this claim.
    It has already been pointed out several times in this thread your statement is absolutely not true...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058052315

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058052504

    The Geneva conventions are not in play here, they do not apply.

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Reading the Geneva Convention it seems very clear that these guys are covered and torture is not allowed to be used on them.
    Then obviously you have not read them or misinterpreted them.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: "US violated Geneva Conventions" - Gen Petraeus

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Hmm what accords are you reading??? I guess you missed the part that not one terrorist Group list on the UN List or Interpol have evr signed the Geneva Accords and that under the Accords they(The Accords) apply to standing Arm Force's.
    True. However, it seems the spirit of those accords are that the signers agree to behave a certain way regardless of who the enemy is.

    Given your POV, are you saying that because Al Qaeda did not sign the GCs that they are not deserving of any humanitarian treatment by the US, that they are fair game to be tortured?
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    Re: "US violated Geneva Conventions" - Gen Petraeus

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    True. However, it seems the spirit of those accords are that the signers agree to behave a certain way regardless of who the enemy is.

    Quoted for accuracy and truth.

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    Re: "US violated Geneva Conventions" - Gen Petraeus

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    True. However, it seems the spirit of those accords are that the signers agree to behave a certain way regardless of who the enemy is.

    Given your POV, are you saying that because Al Qaeda did not sign the GCs that they are not deserving of any humanitarian treatment by the US, that they are fair game to be tortured?

    To answer you last part, we should never have take any of them as POW you can interpet this anyway you like.

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    Re: "US violated Geneva Conventions" - Gen Petraeus

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    To answer you last part, we should never have take any of them as POW you can interpet this anyway you like.
    How interesting that you ignore the first part of ADK's post.

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    Re: "US violated Geneva Conventions" - Gen Petraeus

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    How interesting that you ignore the first part of ADK's post.
    Alright I'll answer that part also, under the Accords all Signee Country will not use the accords to any Combative(s) who are not part of any International Country and these folks will be consider rouges and do not fall under the same treatment that all Military Folks have under the Accords.

    You all do understand that the Geneva Accords are only used for military Personal Right.

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    Re: "US violated Geneva Conventions" - Gen Petraeus

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Quoted for accuracy and truth.
    Quoted because it is absolutly wrong.

    "True. However, it seems the spirit of those accords are that the signers agree to behave a certain way regardless of who the enemy is." - ADK

    Please point out where in the accords it says this? I can show you it does not say this...

    "Furthermore, although the Convention, as a concession to legal form, provides that in certain circumstances a Contracting Power may legally be released from its obligations, its spirit encourages the Power [p.27] in question to persevere in applying humanitarian principles, whatever the attitude of the adverse Party may be." - PARAGRAPH 3. -- CONFLICTS IN WHICH THE BELLIGERENTS ARE NOT ALL PARTIES TO THE CONVENTION

    Does not seem to be anything in the accords that obligates the power but it recommends. Huge leap from recommend to obligated, don't you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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