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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Absolutely. Now that Petraeus is endorsing Obama's closure of Gitmo, is he still going to be looked at as "Betrayus" by Moveon.org?

    who cares? What is your reaction to his statement?

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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Absolutely. Now that Petraeus is endorsing Obama's closure of Gitmo, is he still going to be looked at as "Betrayus" by Moveon.org?
    There are roughly 28 million registered Democrats in this country. MoveOn represents about 3 million of them. They are hardly the spokesmen for "the left".

    What does Moveon.org thinks have to do with Petraeus endorsing Obama? Does what StormFront thinks dictate who those on the right should and should not embrace?
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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    who cares? What is your reaction to his statement?
    I am neutral and still respect Petraeus. I am wondering how those who lambasted him as a traitor before are going to react to him now that he is voicing an opinion they agree with.

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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    There are roughly 28 million registered Democrats in this country. MoveOn represents about 3 million of them. They are hardly the spokesmen for "the left".

    What does Moveon.org thinks have to do with Petraeus endorsing Obama?
    I didn't say all democrats. I said "moveon", who voiced strong opinions against Petreaus before. I am curious about that dynamic. If you aren't, simply don't respond.

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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I didn't say all democrats. I said "moveon", who voiced strong opinions against Petreaus before. I am curious about that dynamic. If you aren't, simply don't respond.
    Sorry the Rev got my wound up with his ignorant over generalizations.

    My thoughts are that they will no doubt praise him for his endorsement. Though while condemning him for his previous decisions, thank him for finally coming around.

    MoveOn is a ludicrous group of individuals.
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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    SO "betrayus" is now in vogue for the kook leftists. the hypocrisy is sickening.
    Just checking on this: does this mean that every time Coulter opens her mouth and says something stupid, I can blame all of you on the right and talk about how you sicken me?

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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    First Posted: 05-26-09 09:08 AM | Updated: 05-26-09 11:36 AM

    In an appearance on Radio Free Europe on Sunday, the man hailed by conservatives as the preeminent military figure of his generation left little room for doubt about where he stands on some of Obama's most contentious policies.

    "I think, on balance, that those moves help [us]," said the chief of U.S. Central Command. "In fact, I have long been on record as having testified and also in helping write doctrine for interrogation techniques that are completely in line with the Geneva Convention. And as a division commander in Iraq in the early days, we put out guidance very early on to make sure that our soldiers, in fact, knew that we needed to stay within those guidelines.

    "With respect to Guantanamo," Petraeus added, "I think that the closure in a responsible manner, obviously one that is certainly being worked out now by the Department of Justice -- I talked to the Attorney General the other day [and] they have a very intensive effort ongoing to determine, indeed, what to do with the detainees who are left, how to deal with them in a legal way, and if continued incarceration is necessary -- again, how to take that forward. But doing that in a responsible manner, I think, sends an important message to the world, as does the commitment of the United States to observe the Geneva Convention when it comes to the treatment of detainees."

    Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    So here we have the Republicans favorite General endorsing The Presidents plan to close Gitmo. In fact he says "I think, sends an important message to the world, as does the commitment of the United States to observe the Geneva Convention when it comes to the treatment of detainees."
    I'm curious to hear what the torture deniers have to say about this Four Star General's comments reguarding closing Gitmo and His Endorsment of President Obama?

    Do they still support this troop?
    First off, there is no Obama PLAN as of THIS date. The argument that there is a plan is speculative at best.

    That stated Petraeus did not endorse ANYTHING because there is NOTHING to be endorsed. But let is examine what he DID say:

    "I think, on balance, that those moves help [us]," said the chief of U.S. Central Command. "In fact, I have long been on record as having testified and also in helping write doctrine for interrogation techniques that are completely in line with the Geneva Convention. And as a division commander in Iraq in the early days, we put out guidance very early on to make sure that our soldiers, in fact, knew that we needed to stay within those guidelines.

    In other words, things that are in line with the GENEVA CONVENTION. But the case of the prisoners at Guantanamo are not under these conventions as they are NON-UNIFORMED ENEMY COMBATANTS. What part of this do Liberals continue to NOT understand.

    Secondly, there is NOTHING in the above statement endorsing anything that hasn’t ALWAYS been endorsed and even part of the Bush Administrations guidance. This is about how the MILITARY handles prisoners of war and its detainees.

    Abu Ghraib was an example how some will break this code and subsequently be prosecuted for it.

    "With respect to Guantanamo," Petraeus added, "I think that the closure in a responsible manner, obviously one that is certainly being worked out now by the Department of Justice -- I talked to the Attorney General the other day [and] they have a very intensive effort ongoing to determine, indeed, what to do with the detainees who are left, how to deal with them in a legal way, and if continued incarceration is necessary -- again, how to take that forward. But doing that in a responsible manner, I think, sends an important message to the world, as does the commitment of the United States to observe the Geneva Convention when it comes to the treatment of detainees."

    Let’s be clear; closing it in a RESPONSIBLE manner. Nothing new here and in line with comments made by Bush during his Presidency.

    But let me emphasize, Petraeus is NOT talking about the detainees when he argues for observing the Geneva Conventions. They do not represent uniformed soldiers of Governments who are “party” to the Conventions and therefore do not fall under them.

    So what this article represents is an enormous red herring for the quacks hysterically trying to claim that Bush/Cheney are war criminals and that the US was criminally negligent in its use of “enhanced” interrogation methods that do NOT meet the definition of torture by the Geneva Conventions OR the United Nations.

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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I prefer that he took some time to carefully examine the issue before taking action. Beats the hell out of flying by the seat of our pants as a nation.
    But of course, your comments are purely your opinion and do not relate to how the Bush Adminstration actually worked.

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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Yet he kept it open and his administration eluded that the existence of GITMO and the interrogations taking place their were essential to our national security and removing these things would create a gaping hole of vulnerability for us.

    Actions speak louder then words. Obama will realize that soon enough if he fails to take action.
    I find the bolded part amusing; as if Obama will suffer political ramifications for not implementing the radical Left wings agenda. What are they going to do, fire him? Elect a Republican?

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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Absolutely. Now that Petraeus is endorsing Obama's closure of Gitmo, is he still going to be looked at as "Betrayus" by Moveon.org?
    Let's be clear here, Petraeus did not endorse ANYTHING and there is no PLAN as of this date to CLOSE Gitmo.

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