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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    The reality is that at least he is trying. His original projections for pulling out may have been far too aggressive for the reality of the situation, but he is working towards that goal in earnest. And that is what is important. He's trying to get us out of there as quickly and responsibly as he can.

    Nobody is making any case of importance over whether or not he actually makes his 18 month time line. No plan survives contact with the enemy.
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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    I would like to point out to all of you who think we are going to have all of are Arm Service out of Iraq this will never happen. I point to the following Countrys

    Germany,Japan,Italy all Country we are still in some 60+ years after the end of WWII.

    Also one other small point it wasn't Mr. Obama who started the pull out it was Mr. Bush.

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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    I would like to point out to all of you who think we are going to have all of are Arm Service out of Iraq this will never happen. I point to the following Countrys

    Germany,Japan,Italy all Country we are still in some 60+ years after the end of WWII.

    Also one other small point it wasn't Mr. Obama who started the pull out it was Mr. Bush.
    Yes, but in all those countries now, our troops are not out patrolling the streets with weapons and vehicles, nor are they apprehending the population on the streets.

    We have a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) with those countries. We don't have one with Iraq or Afghanistan.

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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    I would like to point out to all of you who think we are going to have all of are Arm Service out of Iraq this will never happen. I point to the following Countrys

    Germany,Japan,Italy all Country we are still in some 60+ years after the end of WWII.

    Also one other small point it wasn't Mr. Obama who started the pull out it was Mr. Bush.
    WWII is a different ball of wax.

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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, but in all those countries now, our troops are not out patrolling the streets with weapons and vehicles, nor are they apprehending the population on the streets.

    We have a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) with those countries. We don't have one with Iraq or Afghanistan.
    We do, actually.

    The U.S.-Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: "Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq") is a status of forces agreement (SOFA) approved by the Iraqi government in late 2008 between Iraq and the United States. It establishes that U.S. combat forces will withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011, subject to possible further negotiations which could delay withdrawal and a referendum scheduled for mid-2009 in Iraq which may require U.S. forces to completely leave by the middle of 2010.[1][2] The pact requires criminal charges for holding prisoners over 24 hours, and requires a warrant for searches of homes and buildings that are not related to combat.[3] U.S. contractors working for U.S. forces will be subject to Iraqi criminal law, while contractors working for the State Department and other U.S. agencies may retain their immunity. If U.S. forces commit still undecided "major premeditated felonies" while off-duty and off-base, they will be subject to the still undecided procedures laid out by a joint U.S.-Iraq committee if the U.S. certifies the forces were off-duty.
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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    We do, actually.



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    And if our soldiers commit a crime over there in Afghanistan, do we turn them over to that country for prosecution like we do with Japan or South Korea? No.

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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And if our soldiers commit a crime over there in Afghanistan, do we turn them over to that country for prosecution like we do with Japan? No.
    We don't turn them over to Japaness Govn either if it's a major crime they are sent back tot he States to stand trial, if its say a traffic violation then they must appear in local court with their Commanding Officer.

    Have you ever been station in Japan ??????

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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And if our soldiers commit a crime over there in Afghanistan, do we turn them over to that country for prosecution like we do with Japan or South Korea? No.
    I posted about the SOFA agreed to in Iraq, so I'm not sure what Afghanistan has to do with it. Besides, the SOFA for each country varies in the details, such as what happens to US military personnel should they be accused of a crime. And we don't always turn soldiers over to the Japanese or Korean governments.
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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    We don't turn them over to Japaness Govn either if it's a major crime they are sent back tot he States to stand trial, if its say a traffic violation then they must appear in local court with their Commanding Officer.

    Have you ever been station in Japan ??????
    That wasn't always the case when I was stationed at Kadena on Okinawa. There were three US military members turned over to the Japanese for trial when they raped a 12 year old girl.
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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    That wasn't always the case when I was stationed at Kadena on Okinawa. There were three US military members turned over to the Japanese for trial when they raped a 12 year old girl.
    I recall that but weren't they sent back because their Civilian Lawyer said that they couldn't get a fair trail in Japan.

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