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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Who is talking about a "current direction?"
    I am, and General Petraeus is.

    I didn't see that in the premise of this thread.
    That's because you were busily engaging in a game of "let's argue over process or plan" semantics. I already told you this.

    How is this direction any different from the PREVIOUS administration?
    He has commissioned his administration and the DOJ to actually develop a plan for closing GITMO down so he can make it happen.

    The premise of the thread was clear; it maintains that Petreaus endorsed Obama’s PLAN to close Gitmo. There is no Obama PLAN and Petreaus did not endorse anything in his comments.
    Here we go again. Yay...you win the word game. He endorsed Obama's direction and has endorsed that current state of the plan development.

    Please indicate the exact quote where Petreaus is endorsing Obama’s plans.
    Quote Originally Posted by General Patraeus
    "With respect to Guantanamo," Petraeus added, "I think that the closure in a responsible manner, obviously one that is certainly being worked out now by the Department of Justice -- I talked to the Attorney General the other day [and] they have a very intensive effort ongoing to determine, indeed, what to do with the detainees who are left, how to deal with them in a legal way, and if continued incarceration is necessary -- again, how to take that forward. But doing that in a responsible manner, I think, sends an important message to the world, as does the commitment of the United States to observe the Geneva Convention when it comes to the treatment of detainees."
    What part of this premise do you NOT get?
    I don't care what the thread author's premise was, I care what General Patraeus says. And he said it loud and clear. I'll leave you to your emotional struggle over the differences between the concept of a "plan", "planning", and "process." If you try hard enough, you might beat whoever it is you are fighting with.
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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    So let me get this straight, Petraus is endorsing Obama's policy on Gitmo, which is essentially "do nothing".

    alrighty then.
    You clearly didn't read the article or are simply being totally dishonest. Obama's plan is not "do nothing." Your insinuation is without merit. As General Patraeus has clearly indicated there is a very intensive effort being undertaken to finalize plans to close GITMO responsibly.
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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I dunno in this case. The world is significantly different from the 50's, and the media coverage of world events is very different. Any attempt to remove him after he spoke in disagreement of the administration would cause a political firestorm that I doubt most presidents would want.

    It's not an absolute untouchableness(is that a word), but it is pretty safe.
    That would be a disaster for any administration, and not an action I would support. The military is subservient to the civilian leadership for good reason.

    Here's the UCMJ article that would be used against an officer who spoke out against the President:

    ART. 88 - CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS

    Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
    And of course, there's the old standby:

    ART. 133.

    Any commissioned officer, cadet, or midshipman who is convicted of conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman shall be punished as a court-martial may direct
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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    That would be a disaster for any administration, and not an action I would support. The military is subservient to the civilian leadership for good reason.

    Here's the UCMJ article that would be used against an officer who spoke out against the President:



    And of course, there's the old standby:
    Either would be a stretch in the current world. Disagreeing and contemptuous are two very different things.

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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    No, because at the time, President Bush was his boss. Now he has a new boss. He basically has 3 choices here...rebel against the new boss quietly and retire, rebel openly and be retired, or do his job and publicly support his boss. He's doing exactly what's expected of any good officer.
    Much like the maligned Colin Powell, who was labeled as a disloyal turncoat when he criticized his former boss in 2003. Powell was being a good "troop" even though he was then Secretary of State.
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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Either would be a stretch in the current world. Disagreeing and contemptuous are two very different things.
    Not really, especially not when done publicly.
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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    I've got to go with Moon on this one. Generals don't run against the CIC and survive for long. You just don't do it. Your job is to follow orders and soldier on. You can criticize when you ETS or you can accept the consequences.
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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Replace that with "speak in public" then.



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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I am somewhat comforted that Obama took time to actually study the problem before making sweeping changes. Sorry if that alienates the far left, but I think the far left is crazy, anyway, so i'm not really concerned about their feelings at this point in time.
    So you think Obama is crazy?

    He of the most left leaning voting record in his short time.
    He with his buddies Wright and Ayers.
    And his views of The Constitution:
    YouTube - Obama Bombshell Redistribution of Wealth Audio Uncovered

    Care to rephrase?

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    Re: Petraeus Endorses Obama's Plans To Close GITMO, End Torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    your ilk accused him of treason, akin to that doggy mauling a child. you now want to say "good doggie" because he stopped pissing on your carpet?


    Nice priorities. SO you admit the move on assholes labled an honorable man a traitor, simply because he did not tow the moveon agenda, but see no problem with now embracing whom they one called a traitor because he agreed with a policy that fits said agenda?
    I never called him a traitor, therefore those people are not my ilk.

    I don't agree with everything moveon.org says or does. Do you agree with everything swiftvets.com say?

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