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Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

TheNextEra said:
Korea was great, although I did do most of my time in Yongsan. I would not want to be near Seoul or the DMZ the day that troll decides to finally go bat**** crazy though.
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I've spent way to much time at the DMZ and I hate Seoul, enjoy going to Cheong Ju
 
Abu Ghraib 'abuse' photos confirmed

A former senior US army officer who spoke to the Daily Telegraph about photographs of rape and sexual abuse at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq has confirmed the story, despite denials from the White House.

This newspaper reported that photographs showed a soldier apparently raping a female prisoner, a translator apparently raping a male prisoner and instances of sexual abuse involving objects.

After initially failing to respond to a request for comment, a White House spokesman eventually spoke to denigrate the standards of the British press, and said that the Telegraph report "mischaracterises" the photos.
But Major General Antonio Taguba, who retired from the army in January 2007 after writing a critical report on Abu Ghraib, has confirmed that the quotes the Daily Telegraph ran were accurate, in comments made to the Salon website.

He had told this newspaper the pictures show "torture, abuse, rape and every indecency" and that he did not believe they should be released.

Telegraph report over Abu Ghraib 'abuse' photos confirmed - Telegraph
 
Laila said:
Abu Ghraib 'abuse' photos confirmed

A former senior US army officer who spoke to the Daily Telegraph about photographs of rape and sexual abuse at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq has confirmed the story, despite denials from the White House.

This newspaper reported that photographs showed a soldier apparently raping a female prisoner, a translator apparently raping a male prisoner and instances of sexual abuse involving objects.

After initially failing to respond to a request for comment, a White House spokesman eventually spoke to denigrate the standards of the British press, and said that the Telegraph report "mischaracterises" the photos.
But Major General Antonio Taguba, who retired from the army in January 2007 after writing a critical report on Abu Ghraib, has confirmed that the quotes the Daily Telegraph ran were accurate, in comments made to the Salon website.

He had told this newspaper the pictures show "torture, abuse, rape and every indecency" and that he did not believe they should be released.

Telegraph report over Abu Ghraib 'abuse' photos confirmed - Telegraph
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This is absolutely disgusting..I'm sure Cheney will claim that it was out of control rouge soldiers that were under The Bush Administrations command and try to run from this as fast as he can....lying coward.
 
Laila said:
Abu Ghraib 'abuse' photos confirmed

A former senior US army officer who spoke to the Daily Telegraph about photographs of rape and sexual abuse at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq has confirmed the story, despite denials from the White House.

This newspaper reported that photographs showed a soldier apparently raping a female prisoner, a translator apparently raping a male prisoner and instances of sexual abuse involving objects.

After initially failing to respond to a request for comment, a White House spokesman eventually spoke to denigrate the standards of the British press, and said that the Telegraph report "mischaracterises" the photos.
But Major General Antonio Taguba, who retired from the army in January 2007 after writing a critical report on Abu Ghraib, has confirmed that the quotes the Daily Telegraph ran were accurate, in comments made to the Salon website.

He had told this newspaper the pictures show "torture, abuse, rape and every indecency" and that he did not believe they should be released.

Telegraph report over Abu Ghraib 'abuse' photos confirmed - Telegraph
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Except one little item we never had any Female Prisoners at Abu Ghraib plus anything coming from the Daily Telegraph is like getting our news from News of the world
 
Scorpion89 said:
Except one little item we never had any Female Prisoners at Abu Ghraib plus anything coming from the Daily Telegraph is like getting our news from News of the world
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Daily Telegraph is a broadsheet and is a reputable newspaper. With the tendency of leaning right but still, nothing to penalize it on.

What the heck is NOTW?? Some tabloid?
 
Laila said:
Daily Telegraph is a broadsheet and is a reputable newspaper. With the tendency of leaning right but still, nothing to penalize it on.

What the heck is NOTW?? Some tabloid?
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Now that is funny the Telegraph a reputable newspaper not according to my English friends and yes NOTW is a tabloid.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Now that is funny the Telegraph a reputable newspaper not according to my English friends and yes NOTW is a tabloid.
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Are they Labour supporters?
The Telegraph is to the Conservatives what FOX News is to the Republicans

Guardian, Independent, Telegraph, Times are our hardcore reputable newspapers. I have no idea a US equivalent.
 
Laila said:
Are they Labour supporters?
The Telegraph is to the Conservatives what FOX News is to the Republicans

Guardian, Independent, Telegraph, Times are our hardcore reputable newspapers. I have no idea a US equivalent.
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What ever still the point is that they got it wrong as I said there were never Female Prisoners at Abu Ghraid under Muslim Law female Prisoners must be kept in a sepperated jail and maned only by Female Guards so this discussion is over the (Telegrpah is wrong) end of discussion.

Laili have you ever been to the Middle East and seen their Jails I have and I'm telling you that there were no female's in Abu Ghraid.
 
Scorpion89 said:
What ever still the point is that they got it wrong as I said there were never Female Prisoners at Abu Ghraid under Muslim Law female Prisoners must be kept in a sepperated jail and maned only by Female Guards so this discussion is over the (Telegrpah is wrong) end of discussion.

Laili have you ever been to the Middle East and seen their Jails I have and I'm telling you that there were no female's in Abu Ghraid.
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And i take your word over that of a newspaper which has been confirmed General? Seriously?

I haven't had the pleasure of visiting Abu Gharib and i must say, i don't particularly want to be anywhere near that prison. As a visitor or the prisoner.
 
Laila said:
And i take your word over that of a newspaper which has been confirmed General? Seriously?

I haven't had the pleasure of visiting Abu Gharib and i must say, i don't particularly want to be anywhere near that prison. As a visitor or the prisoner.
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First off Laila I'm pretty sure I've spent more time in the Middle East and in Iraq then any reporter from the newspaper.

See I used to work for the UN on the Weapons Inspection Teams you know the one's that Saddam wouldn't let in to place's and have seen the inside of two of his Jails.

I know Muslim Customs and I'm telling you that it is against the Koran to house male and female prisoners together.

As for the photo they have never been confirm and as I have pointed out in another post on this thread if these photo had exist then the Military Folks would have been brought up on charges just like the other from Abu Ghraib were. but this never happen so yes I saying that the Telegraph is full crap and i would tell their editor that to his/her face and also would call the reporter(s) liers.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Now that is funny the Telegraph a reputable newspaper not according to my English friends and yes NOTW is a tabloid.
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Although admittedly right wing, reputable in its reporting practices, and meticulous with the facts.

Paul
 
If none of this is true [and i do hope it is not], why not release the photos if they do not include rape? Why block it? It must show something truly horrific to actually have the President step in for fear of danger to the troops.
 
gunner said:
Although admittedly right wing, reputable in its reporting practices, and meticulous with the facts.

Paul
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Not this time as I have stated FEMALE PRISONERS WERE NOT HELD AT ABU GHRAID IT IS AGAINST MUSLIM LAW
 
gunner said:
Although admittedly right wing, reputable in its reporting practices, and meticulous with the facts.

Paul
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If only it was left leaning but alas, we are not so lucky Gunner
 
EdwardRN said:
As a nation, we are disintegrating. Every night we can all go to prison as MSNBC shows countless hours of reality drama in shows like "Lock up." We legalized torture, and of course it took the form of rape, sexual sodomy, and sadism. When the current president with his fake smile and fake optomism saw the truth of the photographs, he burried it. We redefine waterboarding as "enhanced" interogation techniques. And all that on top of the fact that our wasteful, sinful, plunge into excess and debt has destroyed our economy.
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I'll agree with a few points, other not.
Waterboarding & torture?
Holder himself testified that intent is critical, and if it is not to produce long term harm or used in vengeance, it is not torture. That's why some of our troops can be subjected to it.

The photos being buried?
As noted, it won't do anything to release them except have a few idiots idiocy create potential mayhem. Obama was a tool for even suggesting they be released.

Excess? If you mean government excess, government intrusion, government red tape, costly and failed government programs (Freddie & Fannie, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, all the Deptartments that can dictate to free people), and the perverse taxation of people's labor and then being told paying more in taxes is "Patriotic" ... if you mean that "excess" has created massive debt, then I'm with ya.



You think I'm wrong? Let me ask you this: how far in the future are you able to look? Don't you find it shortening. I can't look down the road three months without it all becoming hazy and uncertain. Don't you feel like, "sh.., anything might happen." That's disintegration.
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Hope.

Unless that is, you believe Obama. He said we've come back from the brink of economic ruin. He said his administration did it, but that we can't rest on our laurels. Healthcare has to be fixed, education, etc. He says all this and in a couple of days GM will be bankrupt, our money is becoming worthless paper, everyone's retirement is wiped out and millions are out of work over the last six months. The stock market rises and falls for no reason at all. It's even being said that the age old, "buy and hold" strategy is a failed one. People now have to buy and sell into highs and lows quite actively to secure their future--that's called a casino.
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Change.

Can you really see four full years of Barak Obama? Can you imagine the psychological torture of four years of phoney optimism in the face of a declining nation? The band is playing and the Titanic is sinking.
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Unite.



Vomit.

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Scorpion89 said:
Not this time as I have stated FEMALE PRISONERS WERE NOT HELD AT ABU GHRAID IT IS AGAINST MUSLIM LAW
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I was not aware of weapons inspectors being present during the war?

Paul
 
Scorpion89 said:
First off Laila I'm pretty sure I've spent more time in the Middle East and in Iraq then any reporter from the newspaper.

See I used to work for the UN on the Weapons Inspection Teams you know the one's that Saddam wouldn't let in to place's and have seen the inside of two of his Jails.

I know Muslim Customs and I'm telling you that it is against the Koran to house male and female prisoners together.

As for the photo they have never been confirm and as I have pointed out in another post on this thread if these photo had exist then the Military Folks would have been brought up on charges just like the other from Abu Ghraib were. but this never happen so yes I saying that the Telegraph is full crap and i would tell their editor that to his/her face and also would call the reporter(s) liers.
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Scorpion you don't think there is motive to cover these things up?

Afterall a few rouge soldiers one thing and for Cheney is quite easy to explain away..but a bunch of soldiers being charged is quite another thing and would display to the world that the Bush Administration did not have contol of the military that was serving under them. Either by choice or by total lack of authority to control these rouge soldiers...either way it doesn't look good.
 
Laila said:
If none of this is true [and i do hope it is not], why not release the photos if they do not include rape? Why block it? It must show something truly horrific to actually have the President step in for fear of danger to the troops.
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Because first allot of items that have been released should have never been released second according to my boss's these photo's don't exist and since I work for the #3 person at the Penatagon I'm going to beleive him over any English Rag.

Also answer me this folks why weren't any of these soldiers charged with a crime huh come on try to explain that one.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Because first allot of items that have been released should have never been released second according to my boss's these photo's don't exist and since I work for the #3 person at the Penatagon I'm going to beleive him over any English Rag.

Also answer me this folks why weren't any of these soldiers charged with a crime huh come on try to explain that one.
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I,m sorry but i don't believe for one moment you would be spouting on an internet forum if you 'were someone in the know'

Paul
 
goldendog said:
Scorpion you don't think there is motive to cover these things up?

Afterall a few rouge soldiers one thing and for Cheney is quite easy to explain away..but a bunch of soldiers being charged is quite another thing and would display to the world that the Bush Administration did not have contol of the military that was serving under them. Either by choice or by total lack of authority to control these rouge soldiers...either way it doesn't look good.
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Yet not one of these soldiers in these photos were every charged with a crime evne when the first Abu Ghraid photo's came out Mr. Bush called for the soldiers to be charged don't you think if these photo's existed that they would have been charged, since these photo's are to have been taken at the same time. Also as I keep pointing out NO FEMALE PRISONER WERE HELD IN ABU GHRAID WHAT PART OF THIS DON"T YOU FOLKS UNDERSTAND???
 
Scorpion89 said:
Yet not one of these soldiers in these photos were every charged with a crime evne when the first Abu Ghraid photo's came out Mr. Bush called for the soldiers to be charged don't you think if these photo's existed that they would have been charged, since these photo's are to have been taken at the same time. Also as I keep pointing out NO FEMALE PRISONER WERE HELD IN ABU GHRAID WHAT PART OF THIS DON"T YOU FOLKS UNDERSTAND???
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In your job do you know all of the details of detainee abuse?

How do you know there were no female prisoners there...just a gut feeling?
 
gunner said:
I,m sorry but i don't believe for one moment you would be spouting on an internet forum if you 'were someone in the know'

Paul
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Why Not huh as for Internet Forum here is alittle secret their are allot of use who post on Forums it's one way for us to get around lets say certain rules we might have signed.

Beside like I said these photos don't exist because the soilder who are report to be in these photos would have been charged and found guilty in a Military Court at the same time the original Abu Ghaid photos came out and these photos are reported to been taken at the same time.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Because first allot of items that have been released should have never been released second according to my boss's these photo's don't exist and since I work for the #3 person at the Penatagon I'm going to beleive him over any English Rag.

Also answer me this folks why weren't any of these soldiers charged with a crime huh come on try to explain that one.
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If you 'worked' with someone in the Pentagon, should you really be talking about it? Isn't there laws of secrecy in US or is that just a European thing?
 
goldendog said:
In your job do you know all of the details of detainee abuse?

How do you know there were no female prisoners there...just a gut feeling?
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I know that allot of item never made it out off the court room don't forget some of the case were tried under a gag rule.

As for Female Prisoner it's Muslim Law has been for ever since the Koran was written. Beside it was US Miltary Police to keep female Prisoners in seperate Jails. The Female jail was/is located on the East Side of Bagdad.
 
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