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    Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwardRN View Post
    As a nation, we are disintegrating....

    ...The band is playing and the Titanic is sinking.
    My grandmother used to say the exact same thing back in the 60's.

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    Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    My grandmother used to say the exact same thing back in the 60's.

    Funny.

    Hell in a handbasket. It's a peculiar inclination of those over 50 to long for better days in their past and view the past through rose-colored glasses.

    In no way do I long for the days of firehosing black people, forced segregation, lack of rights for women, and the like. It's a myth that the olden days were better days.

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    Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Or the current government can go by way of convincing it's public to believe that the rapes were essential in order to get pertinent information that saved American lives.
    Call it, "enhanced physical informatics"

    I don't care if the photos get released. It's already known and reported by a credible source. I just wish someone could tell us what to expect in the next few years, and how to prepare. Are we going to have a nuclear war? Will we call it "isotopically enhanced negotiations"? Will there be a great depression? Will we call it a "Prosperity Stimulus?" Will we have a civil war? Will we call it a "Factionally sensitive dispute"? Will Obama smile at us the whole time? Have we always been at war with Eastasia, or was it Eurasia? Will there, in fact, be a boot stamping on a human face forever?

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    Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I can't wait for Hannity to this.

    One thing I will say is that if this occurred, and it appears clear that it did, it endangers our service personnel in far more dangerous ways than the information that supposedly protected Los Angeles.

    We NEED to be perceived as the guys in the white hats, the good guys, the shining city on the hill, to accomplish our longterm goals in the middle east. This endangers our longterm goals far more than isolated acts of terror ever will.

    This has the same impact as one dirty cop has on public confidence in law enforcement and the safety of every other guy on the street.
    How can you spin something like this but i'd love to see someone to try.

    We are hated, percieved to be the occupiers. US and UK troops are not wanted. We should cut our losses, pay compensation on those we have abused, say sorry, leave and keep our military on our soil
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    Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Perhaps but the first release of those photos had started the ball rolling, i supported the release of the first photos. Do you think prosecutions would have happened if the photos weren't leaked? Perhaps in US case it may have, but in UKs case it wouldn't have. Sometimes, public anger gets things done faster.

    Now we know what the new photos may have, it won't just stop. Just release it and get it all over with instead of dragging it out because it won't go away.
    Besides, now that we know what is in the photos, aren't our soldiers still in danger? Its almost as bad as seeing the photos
    I can read about somebody getting beheaded, and I can watch someone get beheaded. One of them disgusts me, but I can put it out of my mind after a time, to where I might not even remember who wrote it. I can never forget such a stunning visual however. There is a power to images, that words cannot convey. Would it not disgust you more, and garner more negative feelings, watching someone rape somebody, or reading about it in the paper?
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    Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I can read about somebody getting beheaded, and I can watch someone get beheaded. One of them disgusts me, but I can put it out of my mind after a time, to where I might not even remember who wrote it. I can never forget such a stunning visual however. There is a power to images, that words cannot convey. Would it not disgust you more, and garner more negative feelings, watching someone rape somebody, or reading about it in the paper?
    Very true
    But if we just read it, such a thing would be 'put out of our head' as you put it and not adressed, we have the ability to ignore things we do not wish to address. If we see photos or images, the likelihood of us forgetting it would be small.


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    Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Very true
    But if we just read it, such a thing would be 'put out of our head' as you put it and not adressed, we have the ability to ignore things we do not wish to address. If we see photos or images, the likelihood of us forgetting it would be small.
    Its not up to "us" to address it. Its up to the military courts to address it, and they would rightfully have full access to these photos.
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    Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    How can you spin something like this but i'd love to see someone to try.
    That's one of my primary entertainments these days, as someone who has an admittedly dark sense of humor...watching the shills for the far right put massive on the horrific and unthinkable.

    They clearly have no shame.

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    Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Condemnation and denouncement should be more than enough to convince the Muslim/Arab world of the current U.S. government's sincerity on the matter.
    Bush did the same thing when he was President.
    He condemned and denounced such acts, didn't make a difference did it? What makes you think this time will be any different?
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    Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Very true
    But if we just read it, such a thing would be 'put out of our head' as you put it and not adressed, we have the ability to ignore things we do not wish to address. If we see photos or images, the likelihood of us forgetting it would be small.
    I understand your point, but I think that it's too late for most of us to forget, and I doubt that this is something that can be swept under a rug, despite the pretzel logic maneuvers of the far right commentators.

    Too many Americans simply have too much personal decency to forget. I think you are underestimating the swell of opinion in this country in regards to this issue.

    Enough pictures have already been aired to make the point.

    To be honest, I find the best commentators on this subject to be our military personnel, who fully understand the longterm ramifications of this issue. I trust them to handle it.

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