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    Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Hmm the last time I look at the Leadership list the # 3 person at the Pentagon is Adm. Mullen Chairman of Joint Chiefs. Mrs. Flournoy is Under Secretary of Defense for Policy she has nothing to do with what I do at the Pentagon nor would I or anyone else in my division ever report to her we only report to the Joint Chief and or Mr. Clapper Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence.

    As for violating OPSEC not even close I have not revealed any classified information nor have I even come close even hinting such items. As I have stated before anything I say you can find with the right FOIA request.


    We were told when I was in and I worked in OT&E, even mentioning that you were "in the know" was a big no no. You make yourself a target by doing so.


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    Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

    Why'd Obama switch on detainee photos? Maliki went ballistic

    WASHINGTON President Barack Obama reversed his decision to release detainee abuse photos from Iraq and Afghanistan after Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki warned that Iraq would erupt into violence and that Iraqis would demand that U.S. troops withdraw from Iraq a year earlier than planned, two U.S. military officers, a senior defense official and a State Department official have told McClatchy.

    In the days leading up to a May 28 deadline to release the photos in response to an American Civil Liberties Union lawsuit, U.S. officials, led by Christopher Hill, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, told Maliki that the administration was preparing to release photos of suspected detainee abuse taken from 2003 to 2006.

    When U.S. officials told Maliki, "he went pale in the face," said a U.S. military official, who along with others requested anonymity because of the matter's sensitivity.

    The official said Maliki warned that releasing the photos would lead to more violence that could delay the scheduled U.S. withdrawal from cities by June 30 and that Iraqis wouldn't make a distinction between old and new photos. The public outrage and increase in violence could lead Iraqis to demand a referendum on the security agreement and refuse to permit U.S. forces to stay until the end of 2011.

    Maliki said, "Baghdad will burn" if the photos are released, said a second U.S. military official.
    A U.S. official who's knowledgeable about the photographs told McClatchy that at least two of them depict nudity; one is of a woman suggestively holding a broomstick; one shows a detainee with bruises but offered no explanation how he got them; and another is of hooded detainees with weapons pointed at their heads.

    Why'd Obama switch on detainee photos? Maliki went ballistic | McClatchy

    Well i guess i was wrong and violence would occur.


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    Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Well i guess i was wrong and violence would occur.
    It's a perverse irony, but the sad reality is that releasing the photos, especially if they are as bad as some claim, would very likely ignite the civil war and chaos the United States needs to avoid if American troops are to be successfully withdrawn from Iraq.

    Additionally, Dear Leader has a strategic dilemma as well. Lt General Stanley McChrystal is the officer he and Defense Secretary Bob Gates have tapped to take over the ground effort in Afghanistan. McChrystal already has been linked to abuse charges in Iraq; the photos could put that issue center stage at the worst possible moment if McChrystal is to be successful in Afghanistan.

    It may be justice to publish the photos; it very likely would not mean victorious exits from either Iraq or Afghanistan, but rather very bloody defeats. What price in American blood is justice (keeping in mind that the American casualties incurred would like not include the soldiers who committed the abuses depicted in the photographs)?

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    rolleyes Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    The pictures will not show those responsible for the decision to mistreat prisoners, yet the public will demand prosecution of those in the pictures. The right will promote the release of the pictures to direct attention from those actually responsible. We have enough evidence of wrongdoing to begin prosecution of those who ordered torture, the photographs are not necessary.
    Rockwell, nobody ordered Charlie Graner, Lynndie England, Ivan Frederick, or any of the other stupid thugs at Abu Ghraib to abuse those detainees. That is a fantasy of the lunatic left-wing fringe, in their ceaseless campaign to have Soviet-style show trials of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove.

    Graner and others claimed that they were just following orders. But they were interviewed by the investigative team led by Maj. General Antonio Taguba. The investigators looked these stupid thugs in the eye, observed their body language and demeanor, heard their tone of voice, and decided that when they claimed that they were just following orders, they were lying.

    Criminal liability did not rise any higher in the chain of command than Graner, a sergeant. Non-criminal disciplinary action did not rise any higher than Brig. General Janis Karpinski, Graner's brigade commander. She was reduced in rank to colonel and her career in the Army was completely destroyed, much like all the officers in the chain of command between Karpinski and Graner.

    This resolution exactly followed the recommendations made by Antonio Taguba, a man of honor whose conduct of the Abu Ghraib investigation was completely above reproach. Unless you think Taguba was lying, shut up. If you think he was lying, present your evidence.
    We are all products of our environment. Barack Obama comes from the same environment that produced Rod Blagojevich, Tony Rezko and Richard J. Daley. Expecting Obama to clean up corruption in Washington is like picking a person who lived his entire adult life in a whorehouse, and claiming that he's a virgin.

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    Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    How do YOU know it would not arm the troops?

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    Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    nonsense, these were already proven fakes.
    The pics I am speaking about are very real.
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    Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Its not a religions action either
    If you follow that religion "religiously: it is.
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    Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

    Never had the privilege of meeting any "Specialist" personally what they do is a disgrace to every grunt who puts on the uniform. No honor. Kill your enemy. Don't toy with him.

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    Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    The pics I am speaking about are very real.


    I am sure they are tangibly real, however they do not depict us soldier raping anyone. that is from a columbian porn flick,.
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    Re: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

    Suppressed images don't show rape, official says | Salon News

    Suppressed images don't show rape, official says

    The Pentagon says no sexual abuse, no Abu Ghraib photos among those held back in ACLU suit.

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