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    Re: North Korea Threatens South, Armistice Off

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    You serious think China gives a damn about "democracy", either to support it or oppose it? China's not interested in the spread of democracy; they are interested in the spread of Chinese economic influence, and the promotion of Chinese national interests around the globe.
    Democracy has EVERYTHING to do with China's perception as to our motives.

    We brag about every country we turn into a democracy after we invade it and overthrow their government.

    China may perceive our attacks on EVERY communist dictator as a direct relation to a threat to their communist dictators.

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    Re: North Korea Threatens South, Armistice Off

    U.S., South Korea raise military alert on North
    By Jon Herskovitz, Reuters
    2 hours ago

    SEOUL South Korea and the United States raised the military alert level for the peninsula on Thursday after the communist North warned the truce ending the Korean War was dead and it was ready to attack.
    U.S., South Korea raise military alert on North | Comcast.net

    Alert level raised on North Korea

    South Korean and US troops have gone on higher alert after North Korea said it was scrapping the armistice treaty that ended the Korean War 50 years ago.
    BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Alert level raised on North Korea

    U.S., S. Korea Troops on High Alert Amid Threat
    U.S., S. Korea Troops on High Alert Amid Threats - North Korea | Map | Government - FOXNews.com
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    Re: North Korea Threatens South, Armistice Off

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Why do we need 3 threads on this?
    Ignore two of them. There, problem solved. Wasn't that easy.

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    Re: North Korea Threatens South, Armistice Off

    Well, if China doesn't aid N. Korea in it's struggle, then inevitably, it will still have a surge of refugees entering the country anyway. There's no 2-ways about it for China. Interfere with the N. Korea Government, and fear it may collapse, bringing in thousands, if not millions of refugees, don't interfere, don't aid, and have N. Korea lose, and millions of refugees into China.

    Neither is any good for China.

    My guess is that if there's going to be a military conflict, China will supply the 3 crucial F's in war. Food, Fuel, and Firearms to the North, but at the same time not being in the war.

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    Re: North Korea Threatens South, Armistice Off

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Didn't MacArthur suggest something along these lines 50+ years ago?
    So did Lloyd Benstsen.

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    Re: North Korea Threatens South, Armistice Off

    China has, very quietly, made it clear they won't militarily support NK because they know it's not worth spending the political currency over. U.S. forces along with SK forces would literally obliterate the Northern ones. Kim Jong-il and the KPA have a large military, but it's equipped with 50's and 60's era Soviet crap that barely worked then, and some more 'modern' equipment that was homegrown in the 70's and early 80's.

    There is nothing in NK that China wants or needs, and we're dealing with a different China now than in the days of the Korean War. China wants investment capital and economic expansion. If Kim Jong-il threatens that status quo for no good reason, which is exactly what he is doing, then China will back off completely.

    China doesn't care anymore about spreading Communism, Cold War style. It only cares about its internal operations. The Koreans could be reunified as a democracy for all it cares. As long as it's a prosperous trading partner then great. Kim Jong-il is making the serious assumption that his China connections are strong. They are not. We live in a much more globalized world now, and China is one of the nations at the centre of it.
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    Re: North Korea Threatens South, Armistice Off

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    China has, very quietly, made it clear they won't militarily support NK because they know it's not worth spending the political currency over. U.S. forces along with SK forces would literally obliterate the Northern ones. Kim Jong-il and the KPA have a large military, but it's equipped with 50's and 60's era Soviet crap that barely worked then, and some more 'modern' equipment that was homegrown in the 70's and early 80's.

    There is nothing in NK that China wants or needs, and we're dealing with a different China now than in the days of the Korean War. China wants investment capital and economic expansion. If Kim Jong-il threatens that status quo for no good reason, which is exactly what he is doing, then China will back off completely.

    China doesn't care anymore about spreading Communism, Cold War style. It only cares about its internal operations. The Koreans could be reunified as a democracy for all it cares. As long as it's a prosperous trading partner then great. Kim Jong-il is making the serious assumption that his China connections are strong. They are not. We live in a much more globalized world now, and China is one of the nations at the centre of it.
    If I were SK, I would not count on the US coming to my aid. It will be a long time, if ever, before the US commits more that a few air sorties and missle or two to any new conflict in a foreign land.


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    Re: North Korea Threatens South, Armistice Off

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    If I were SK, I would not count on the US coming to my aid. It will be a long time, if ever, before the US commits more that a few air sorties and missle or two to any new conflict in a foreign land.
    Someone will step in eventually, and I don't think a U.S. campaign is out of the question. The issue is not just security of SK, but also the security of nuclear weapons in general. NK has sold weapons to a variety of different nations in the past, and I'm sure they would jump at the chance to market their nuclear weapons. Gotta fund the regime, after all.

    This is not a country that should be having nukes. IMO it's an even more dangerous adversary than Iran.

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    Re: North Korea Threatens South, Armistice Off

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    China has, very quietly, made it clear they won't militarily support NK because they know it's not worth spending the political currency over.
    Have they? Do you have a link?

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