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W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

Moon said:
Sounds more like you want to turn off any light that looks at her comments. Some of her comments are disturbing, but we'll see what happens. I don't think she'll have any trouble being confirmed. She's not a conservative, after all, so her comments will be mostly ignored.
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No, if she was actually making racist remarks I would be the first to call on her to remove herself from consideration. I do not stand-by for second rate cherry picking of facts to simply rouse a base. Especially on a forum that I thought was for intelligent discussion. I can get these arguments on any spin channel.
 
Redress said:
I dunno. If she is qualified, her gender/race is irrelevant. If she is not, her gender/race are irrelevant.

if there are 10 qualified candidates all equal, and diversity is a goal, then promoting the one who best increases diversity is fine, but she is still qualified.
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If she points out her vagina and her minority status and proclaims, "These make me a better judge than some white dude," then her gender/race are relevant to most every discussion about her as far as I'm concerned.
 
WillRockwell said:
I think the correct translation is "Let's keep this debate related to the qualifications of the candidate and avoid divisive racial remarks."
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Since Obama didn't tell the nominee to hide her racist tendencies, it's unreasonable to expect people to not see them and remark on them.
 
jallman said:
Had it been down to Hillary and McCain, I probably would have voted for Hillary, actually.

And no, she wasn't an old white man, but her legacy was tied strongly to one.
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Touche!

Is there any way to put an accent over the 'e' in touche on these boards?
 
talloulou said:
I think we're supposed to see her as a benefit because she will help minorities get jobs over white folk, just like she got this nomination - by being lucky enough to be a Hispanic woman when a Hispanic woman was wanted. She understands what it is like to be a minority and thus if say some fire fighters have to pass an exam to become lieutenant and only mostly whites pass she can agree that, Yes, the test results should be put in the garbage as they are clearly racist. It's about keeping racism alive by supporting reverse racism. Keep 'em fighting each other so they don't fight the system. This is what she will bring and this is what Obama was looking for. Yippee.
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BS alert! She was simply upholding the findings of a lower court. She was not asked to decide the case, but to determine if the lower court had ruled out of the context of the law. Therefor, if she is racist on this account, then all of New Haven is racist. The New Haven City Hall is the original challengers of the promotions.
 
tlmorg02 said:
No, if she was actually making racist remarks I would be the first to call on her to remove herself from consideration. I do not stand-by for second rate cherry picking of facts to simply rouse a base. Especially on a forum that I thought was for intelligent discussion. I can get these arguments on any spin channel.
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Unless you can explain to me in what context it would be appropriate for an old white guy to say, "I am an old white guy with a dick and going through life as a white guy with a dick makes me a better judge," then I call b.s. Her statement was inappropriate, unprofessional, and exactly the type of thing a white man could never say without getting reamed for it. Yet out of her mouth, it is excused. I'm real excited for her to start setting policy.
 
talloulou said:
If she points out her vagina and her minority status and proclaims, "These make me a better judge than some white dude," then her gender/race are relevant to most every discussion about her as far as I'm concerned.
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I would say only in relation to her words on that. I am not going to defend her words, will leave that to her, she knows what she intended, I do not necessarily. However, to suggest she is unqualified because of her race or gender, or to suggest that it is the only way she got the appointment are not really fair comments.

In other words, her words reflect on her qualifications, but not her race or gender.
 
talloulou said:
Unless you can explain to me in what context it would be appropriate for an old white guy to say, "I am an old white guy with a dick and going through life as a white guy with a dick makes me a better judge," then I call b.s. Her statement was inappropriate, unprofessional, and exactly the type of thing a white man could never say without getting reamed for it. Yet out of her mouth, it is excused. I'm real excited for her to start setting policy.
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If he were talking about dick legislation and said he was more qualified than an old latina woman, then he would be fine by me.
 
tlmorg02 said:
No, if she was actually making racist remarks I would be the first to call on her to remove herself from consideration. I do not stand-by for second rate cherry picking of facts to simply rouse a base. Especially on a forum that I thought was for intelligent discussion. I can get these arguments on any spin channel.
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The comments are direct quotes, not secondhand stories or rumors. She said them. If you have an issue with the context, then post a fuller version and make your case. Singing the "cherry picking" song doesn't make for much of an intelligent conversation, either.
 
tlmorg02 said:
BS alert! She was simply upholding the findings of a lower court. She was not asked to decide the case, but to determine if the lower court had ruled out of the context of the law. Therefor, if she is racist on this account, then all of New Haven is racist. The New Haven City Hall is the original challengers of the promotions.
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Perhaps they are all racist. The case ruled against the fire fighters was some of the most ridiculous rubbish I've ever had the pleasure of reading. They could literally do a SNL skit on it.
 
Moon said:
The comments are direct quotes, not secondhand stories or rumors. She said them. If you have an issue with the context, then post a fuller version and make your case. Singing the "cherry picking" song doesn't make for much of an intelligent conversation, either.
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I already posted it. Twice.
 
talloulou said:
Perhaps they are all racist. The case ruled against the fire fighters was some of the most ridiculous rubbish I've ever had the pleasure of reading. They could literally do a SNL skit on it.
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I do agree with you on that.
 
Redress said:
I would say only in relation to her words on that. I am not going to defend her words, will leave that to her, she knows what she intended, I do not necessarily. However, to suggest she is unqualified because of her race or gender, or to suggest that it is the only way she got the appointment are not really fair comments.

In other words, her words reflect on her qualifications, but not her race or gender.
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I'm not suggesting she is unqualified. I'm suggesting she is a crappy crappy pick. All women are qualified to be a mother. Some of them do a real crap job at it. Teachers may be completely qualified to teach while being miserable failures at teaching. She may be qualified by I dislike her immensely.
 
I think the WhiteHouse was telling he "right" to zip it and step aside, as you should, and realize losers have no real say in the matter.

She will be nominated no matter how much lying and racebaiting is done.

I just thankful it's not going to be some white old fart.
 
talloulou said:
I'm not suggesting she is unqualified. I'm suggesting she is a crappy crappy pick. All women are qualified to be a mother. Some of them do a real crap job at it. Teachers may be completely qualified to teach while being miserable failures at teaching. She may be qualified by I dislike her immensely.
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Right, I understand and respect your views on that. What I would take exception to is saying that she is not qualified to be a justice due to race/gender, and I find some of the rhetoric in regards to her race/gender to be sad.
 
Redress said:
Right, I understand and respect your views on that. What I would take exception to is saying that she is not qualified to be a justice due to race/gender, and I find some of the rhetoric in regards to her race/gender to be sad.
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I would take exception to your saying that her race/gender adds to her qualifications.
 
Laila said:
No one must have seriously expected a Democrat president to nominate a strict constructionist, conservative justice right?
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No, we seriously expected him to appoint a liberal racist feminist activist person who will seek to interpret the Constition to promote her agenda and that of her friends, not someone who understands what the law is really for.

Our expectations were met.
 
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