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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Well obviously there are minor variations as I said. Other than that it is multi-tiered because the above courts are meant to act as a check on the lower ones as one court may be tempted to abuse its power. Judicial activism also has a part to play in many of the things you talk about. Unfortunately some people have some silly ideas about making constitutions mere guidelines and giving judges quite a bit of arbitrary power such as the abomination known as "the living constitution".
    To suggest that this is what Sotomayer is saying would be to stretch her meaning all out of shape. She is saying experience effects decisions, which is an undeniable truth.

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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    When you take something into account, you add it up with what you are thinking.

    This isn't just a casual I think about it, but let it go, he said he takes it into account, that means his decisions.

    If he didn't take it into account (as he says) he would just say I think about it, but don't let it interfere. He says take it into account which means to add it up in his decisions.

    Words have meaning and "taken into account" means added up in his decisions.

    Again, he was a bad choice, but conservatives and Bush loyalists let it go.

    That was wrong.
    Again to get from A to Z with what you are asserting you have to insinuate stuff, put words in his mouth that weren't there, and ignore the fact that he explicitly states his job is to apply the law, not bend it to a favorable outcome.

    Meanwhile with Sotomayer I can just life bad quote after bad quote after bad quote directly from the page. I don't insinuate she thinks she makes policy. She said it. I don't insinuate she might let her prejudices effect her rulings, she said it. I don't insinuate she said something that might be interpreted as she might make a better judge for being a latino woman vs a white man. She straight up said it.

    With Alito you found 1 thing that you have to stretch to make it say what you want it to say. You have to read between the lines and ignore what he says DIRECTLY after it.

    With Sonia there is a wealth of quotes where each one backs up the assertion of the one before it. There can be no mistake about her underlying points, they are repeated. If she misspoke one time I'd give her the benefit of the doubt. But she repeatedly asserts these wrongs. She is unabashed and unashamed because ultimately she thinks she's right which makes her a judge who A)doesn't understand her job and B) doesn't give a hoot about throwing impartiality out the window as in her words it's an unattainable goal.
    So if you think these are in anyway comparable I think you're just being dishonest for whatever reason and have little interest in continuing down this road with you.
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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Again to get from A to Z with what you are asserting you have to insinuate stuff, put words in his mouth that weren't there, and ignore the fact that he explicitly states his job is to apply the law, not bend it to a favorable outcome.
    I put his own words to "account" as he says.

    He was a lousy choice, and conservatives and Bushbots accepted him. Racists.

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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I put his own words to "account" as he says.

    He was a lousy choice, and conservatives and Bushbots accepted him. Racists.
    Yes and I took that into account and stand by my previous post.

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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Yes and I took that into account and stand by my previous post.
    And I stand by mine that he took into "account" what he said and that added to his decision, thus, not making him right. Yet Conservatives and Bush supporters gave Alito a "free" pass for that.

    I don't support Obama's pick either, but that doesn't stop the fact most conservatives allowed a racist into the supreme court like Alito.

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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    To suggest that this is what Sotomayer is saying would be to stretch her meaning all out of shape. She is saying experience effects decisions, which is an undeniable truth.
    I wasn't suggesting she believed that, although her supposed, and they may have been taken out of context, remarks on judiciary making policy were troubling. I was simply saying that her experience as Latino women was only of a very minor relevancy to how a SC judge should act.
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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And I stand by mine that he took into "account" what he said and that added to his decision, thus, not making him right. Yet Conservatives and Bush supporters gave Alito a "free" pass for that.

    I don't support Obama's pick either, but that doesn't stop the fact most conservatives allowed a racist into the supreme court like Alito.
    He's not racist and you know it. He qualified what he said by immediately saying he can't bend the law, he applies it but whatever. FWIW I never called Sotomayor a racist myself. I think she's wrongheaded when it comes to what it means to be judge. I think she's agenda driven and dangerous for a Supreme Court judge. I also think she's relatively bad with words and communicating. I don't think she thinks enough before she speaks which is also not great for a judge.

    I'm hoping that during her confirmation hearings she will adjust herself and give the right answers when it comes to some of this stuff. But I have a small fear that she will be defiant and adamant that it's perfectly ok for her to both be a Supreme Court judge while thinking and talking like she does.

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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I wasn't suggesting she believed that, although her supposed, and they may have been taken out of context, remarks on judiciary making policy were troubling. I was simply saying that her experience as Latino women was only of a very minor relevancy to how a SC judge should act.
    Couple things. She was not even a consideration for the SC when she made the comment, she was in the appeals court system. Her comments as I understood them where in reference to civil rights cases, where she feels her experiences due to gender and ethnicity give her more insight on the issue.

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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    I'm finding it very ironic and amusing that the right wing is talking about racism.....
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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    He's not racist and you know it.
    When he said he took it into account that meant he added it to his decisions, there is no spinning around that.

    You take it differently because he was a Bush appointee and you are conservative. that is your fault, not mine.

    All you cared about it if they are conservative.

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