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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Translation?
    Don't you even think of raising any objections or else.
    Are you guys kidding? More partisan spin? If the words were not cherry picked one could easily see that she was not using racist remarks.

    Fox News host Megyn Kelly and ABC correspondent Jan Crawford Greenburg misrepresented a remark that Judge Sonia Sotomayor, President Obama's nominee to the Supreme Court, made in a speech delivered at the University of California, Berkeley, School of Law, claiming that she suggested, in Kelly's words, "that Latina judges are obviously better than white male judges." In fact, when Sotomayor asserted, "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life," she was specifically discussing the importance of judicial diversity in determining race and sex discrimination cases. As Media Matters for America has noted, former Bush Justice Department lawyer John Yoo has similarly stressed that Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas "is a black man with a much greater range of personal experience than most of the upper-class liberals who take potshots at him" and argued that Thomas' work on the court has been influenced by his understanding of the less fortunate acquired through personal experience.
    Here is the full link: Fox's Kelly, ABC's Greenburg skew Sotomayor remark about "Latina," "white male" judges | Media Matters for America

    Can we please put such ridiculous matters to rest?

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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by FlappyTheKinkajou View Post
    So you admit that they don't care about justice or the constitution?
    What has that got to do with anything?
    You don't get to decide what the SC needs or don't. The power is in the hand of the Senate and President.
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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Are you guys kidding? More partisan spin? If the words were not cherry picked one could easily see that she was not using racist remarks.



    Here is the full link: Fox's Kelly, ABC's Greenburg skew Sotomayor remark about "Latina," "white male" judges | Media Matters for America

    Can we please put such ridiculous matters to rest?
    Maybe if you stop posting the bilge from Media Matters.
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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I think the correct translation is "Let's keep this debate related to the qualifications of the candidate and avoid divisive racial remarks."
    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I think the reference was about the use of 'race' in this process. Criticise her on her qualifications.
    More than happy to do this if many leftists, including some on this forum such as aps, aren't sitting here telling us its a good confirmation and a needed one because she's female and hispanic.

    You can't say "racial issues are a benefit to her being nominated" and then turn around and go "you can't talk about racial issues".

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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    What has that got to do with anything?
    You don't get to decide what the SC needs or don't. The power is in the hand of the Senate and President.
    Power=justice. Noted.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by FlappyTheKinkajou View Post
    Power=justice. Noted.
    How did you come up with that from my post?


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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    More than happy to do this if many leftists, including some on this forum such as aps, aren't sitting here telling us its a good confirmation and a needed one because she's female and hispanic.

    You can't say "racial issues are a benefit to her being nominated" and then turn around and go "you can't talk about racial issues".
    That is true and perhaps for that argument to hold any weight, they need to lay off the fact it is a female and hispanic and concentrate on her qualifications.


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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Beats having no experience or education, so in that sense she is qualified for SC.
    I agree.


    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Whether you agree with her is another issue.
    No one must have seriously expected a Democrat president to nominate a strict constructionist, conservative justice right?
    I know I didn't expect it.


    My question was more along the lines of, assuming what she said was racist, and that she herself is racist, does her resume make that okay?

    Note to the peanut gallery: I am not saying that Sotomayor is a racist, so chill.
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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by FlappyTheKinkajou View Post
    Power=justice. Noted.
    That's not what she said.
    "I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    More than happy to do this if many leftists, including some on this forum such as aps, aren't sitting here telling us its a good confirmation and a needed one because she's female and hispanic.

    You can't say "racial issues are a benefit to her being nominated" and then turn around and go "you can't talk about racial issues".
    I think this is a misrepresentation. I don't think any one is saying she is a good choice because she is a latino female, but that being a latino female is a bonus to a qualified candidate in this case.

    I also took the comment from the white house to be to tone down the rhetoric on racism, not that race could not be discussed. I admit to partisanship, and may be seeing what I want to...but I don't think that is the case this time.

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