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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Seems like a even deal to me.

    Alito and Sotomayor have striking similarities

    Alito and Sotomayor have a number of similarities -- Newsday.com

    WASHINGTON - Look at the resumes of the last two candidates for the Supreme Court - Justice Samuel Alito and recent nominee Sonia Sotomayor - and a surprising number of similarities emerge.

    Born four years apart, they both grew up Roman Catholic in modest homes wanting to be judges, attended the same Ivy League schools, became prosecutors in their first full-time jobs and served more than a decade on the circuit court.

    And both have remained closely tied to their ethnic roots and the communities where they grew up: Alito, 59, as an Italian American in New Jersey, and Sotomayor, 54, as a Puerto Rican in the Bronx.

    The parallels are so striking that some bloggers ask if Sotomayor, nominated this week by President Barack Obama, is simply a liberal version of the conservative Alito, tapped in 2005 by President George W. Bush.

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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Seems like a even deal to me.

    Alito and Sotomayor have striking similarities

    Alito and Sotomayor have a number of similarities -- Newsday.com

    WASHINGTON - Look at the resumes of the last two candidates for the Supreme Court - Justice Samuel Alito and recent nominee Sonia Sotomayor - and a surprising number of similarities emerge.

    Born four years apart, they both grew up Roman Catholic in modest homes wanting to be judges, attended the same Ivy League schools, became prosecutors in their first full-time jobs and served more than a decade on the circuit court.

    And both have remained closely tied to their ethnic roots and the communities where they grew up: Alito, 59, as an Italian American in New Jersey, and Sotomayor, 54, as a Puerto Rican in the Bronx.

    The parallels are so striking that some bloggers ask if Sotomayor, nominated this week by President Barack Obama, is simply a liberal version of the conservative Alito, tapped in 2005 by President George W. Bush.

    I don't recall Allito shilling for a racist group like La Raza, nor do I recall him making any absurdly racist statements like Sotomayor has. Further, and perhaps most importantly of all, I definitenly don't recall Alito saying that fundemantal rights guaranteed in the constitution "do not apply to individuals", nor that policy is made in the appeals courts.

    The only thing they really share of any note is being Roman Catholics.

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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    I don't recall Allito shilling for a racist group like La Raza, nor do I recall him making any absurdly racist statements like Sotomayor has. Further, and perhaps most importantly of all, I definitenly don't recall Alito saying that fundemantal rights guaranteed in the constitution "do not apply to individuals", nor that policy is made in the appeals courts.

    The only thing they really share of any note is being Roman Catholics.
    He made comments on how his upbringing and heritage would effect his rulings...that's all...just like Sotomayor.

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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    I don't recall Allito shilling for a racist group like La Raza, nor do I recall him making any absurdly racist statements like Sotomayor has. Further, and perhaps most importantly of all, I definitenly don't recall Alito saying that fundemantal rights guaranteed in the constitution "do not apply to individuals", nor that policy is made in the appeals courts.

    The only thing they really share of any note is being Roman Catholics.
    Other than Newt and Rush saying it...please post a credible link that proves that La Raza is a "Racist Group"?

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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mick View Post
    Interesting take, given that Sotomayer herself has injected her status as a Latina as a primary issue. Her observation, that her gender, life experience and ethnicity might allow her to provide a wisdom that her white male collegues don't possess is troubling. Her sense that ethnicity and gender are an adequate basis for judicial decisions, apart from law, is a radical departure from accepted practice. I don't blame the WH for attempting to shut this discussion down.

    The test for me is simple; would this POV be acceptable if it were posited by a white man who felt his ethnicity and gender should influence his decisions?
    I agree. The WH should immediately shut this dicussion down since NO other justice has discussed his heritage when talking about making judicial decisions. NONE.

    Maybe your test has been tested.

    U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee Hearing on Judge Samuel Alito's Nomination to the Supreme Court

    ALITO: I don't come from an affluent background or a privileged background. My parents were both quite poor when they were growing up.

    And I know about their experiences and I didn't experience those things. I don't take credit for anything that they did or anything that they overcame.

    But I think that children learn a lot from their parents and they learn from what the parents say. But I think they learn a lot more from what the parents do and from what they take from the stories of their parents lives.

    And that's why I went into that in my opening statement. Because when a case comes before me involving, let's say, someone who is an immigrant -- and we get an awful lot of immigration cases and naturalization cases -- I can't help but think of my own ancestors, because it wasn't that long ago when they were in that position.

    And so it's my job to apply the law. It's not my job to change the law or to bend the law to achieve any result.

    But when I look at those cases, I have to say to myself, and I do say to myself, "You know, this could be your grandfather, this could be your grandmother. They were not citizens at one time, and they were people who came to this country."

    When I have cases involving children, I can't help but think of my own children and think about my children being treated in the way that children may be treated in the case that's before me.

    And that goes down the line. When I get a case about discrimination, I have to think about people in my own family who suffered discrimination because of their ethnic background or because of religion or because of gender. And I do take that into account. When I have a case involving someone who's been subjected to discrimination because of disability, I have to think of people who I've known and admire very greatly who've had disabilities, and I've watched them struggle to overcome the barriers that society puts up often just because it doesn't think of what it's doing -- the barriers that it puts up to them.

    So those are some of the experiences that have shaped me as a person.

    Salon.com | Justice Sam Alito on empathy and judging

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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Apparently it was acceptable when it was a white conservative male who said during his Senate Judiciary Committee Hearing Nomination to the Supreme Court that it would influence him.


    "When I get a case about discrimination, I have to think about people in my own family who suffered discrimination because of their ethnic background or because of religion or because of gender. And I do take that into account."--Samuel Alito


    But then again he is a conservative, so it's OK...
    Darn it! I should have looked through this thread before posting the SAME THING! BWG, great minds think alike.

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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I think it's a dangerous attitude and changes the face of what it means to be a judge. Willingly accepting that your prejudices are going to effect your ruling is accepting that you're not going to be impartial and being damn near smug about it.

    Eventually our judges will just be select representatives seated to serve special interests or select groups and everyone will have forgotten that justice is supposed to be blind.
    When you actually sit on a court and judge, talloulou, I'll take your words seriously.

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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Bingo........

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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    When you actually sit on a court and judge, talloulou, I'll take your words seriously.
    When you actually sit on a court and judge, aps, I'll take your words seriously.

    This is a discussion forum, not monster.com. We aren't looking for people's resumes here...we're looking for their opinions.

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    Re: W.H. to Sotomayor critics: Be 'careful'

    It's my opinion that Alito is a "reverse racist".

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