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    Re: Once Considered Unthinkable, U.S. Sales Tax Gets Fresh Look

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Senators do not work for the president. They have agendas of their own which may or may not coincide with the president's.
    Really? Who do they work for; certainly not the good citizens of the US?

    You really think that Conrad went out on this limb all alone without knowing whether or not the admin would cut it off behind him? I doubt it.



    Even if that were true, is floating a trial balloon the same as endorsing the idea?
    My comment was in response to someone saying something along the line of, 'What does the administration have to do with this'. I highly doubt it caught them by surprise and it seems some of the adminstration have been thinking along the same lines.

    They are going to have to raise a lot of moeny and a VAT would do that and it has the advantage of being hidden from the dumbmasses who would just blame the price increases on those big business assholes.


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    Re: Once Considered Unthinkable, U.S. Sales Tax Gets Fresh Look

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That is not politically realistic. The American people consistently elect presidents and congressmen who INCREASE spending.
    This means its the right course of action?


    Anyone? Anyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    While the tax rate goes up and down depending on the political winds, the US federal budget has not shrunk a single time since 1965.
    Ahh yes, the start of the fall of America as echoed by Ben Franklin and De Toqueville... something about the experiment in democracy will fail when the people realize they can vote themselves... gold from the treasury.

    Oh look, they were RIGHT!

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    That doesn't mean that you have to stop tilting against windmills; by all means, continue to oppose federal spending if that's what you believe.
    I will rail again irresponsible government spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    But in the meantime, let's at least acknowledge the political reality that the American people PREFER a larger government than you do, and it isn't likely to shrink anytime soon.
    That a majority of Americans are ****ing morons that think me me me me and keep ensuring this great country falls further from the course of prosperity and success... yeah I realized that years ago.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Once Considered Unthinkable, U.S. Sales Tax Gets Fresh Look

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    This means its the right course of action?
    It means it's the political reality, so we should pay for our government.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio
    Ahh yes, the start of the fall of America as echoed by Ben Franklin and De Toqueville... something about the experiment in democracy will fail when the people realize they can vote themselves... gold from the treasury.

    Oh look, they were RIGHT!
    See above. Whining about the government's policies is not the same as changing them.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio
    That a majority of Americans are ****ing morons that think me me me me and keep ensuring this great country falls further from the course of prosperity and success... yeah I realized that years ago.
    Good. So let's pay for the government that we ****ing morons elected, instead of pretending it doesn't exist.
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    Re: Once Considered Unthinkable, U.S. Sales Tax Gets Fresh Look

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Nevertheless, those people DO raise taxes every now and then...and in many cases, are not punished by the voters for it. On the other hand, not one president or Congress has DARED to cut spending in a single budget since 1965. It has gotten larger every single year since then.

    That should tell you something about the relative importance of those two issues for most voters.
    I agree with that. Every single president or congress since 1965 can be defined as a populist doing and saying what needs to be said to win elections.

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    Re: Once Considered Unthinkable, U.S. Sales Tax Gets Fresh Look

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Nevertheless, those people DO raise taxes every now and then...and in many cases, are not punished by the voters for it.
    I agree. We the voters really are not doing our jobs as citizens like we should be (Im just as guilty). If we decided to put forth half the effort we spend on our own entertainment to voice our opinion to our government officials I think we would have a different country today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    On the other hand, not one president or Congress has DARED to cut spending in a single budget since 1965. It has gotten larger every single year since then.
    I have often said the progressiveness we have had since the 1960 is what will ultimatly break our country.

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    Re: Once Considered Unthinkable, U.S. Sales Tax Gets Fresh Look

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not exactly, no. I am just laughing at people who complain no matter what.
    People are complaining because they are thinking of doing everything except cut spending.

    The one thing they should do but won't.
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    Re: Once Considered Unthinkable, U.S. Sales Tax Gets Fresh Look

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I agree. We the voters really are not doing our jobs as citizens like we should be (Im just as guilty). If we decided to put forth half the effort we spend on our own entertainment to voice our opinion to our government officials I think we would have a different country today.



    I have often said the progressiveness we have had since the 1960 is what will ultimatly break our country.
    it sure looks that way, but it really goes back to 1913

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    Re: Once Considered Unthinkable, U.S. Sales Tax Gets Fresh Look

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    People are complaining because they are thinking of doing everything except cut spending.

    The one thing they should do but won't.
    And yet, President Obama has already found some cuts in spending. Not enough, but more than, for example, President Bush the younger.

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    Re: Once Considered Unthinkable, U.S. Sales Tax Gets Fresh Look

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And yet, President Obama has already found some cuts in spending. Not enough, but more than, for example, President Bush the younger.
    I have a great personal disdain for GW 1 and 2.

    His cuts are fluff in my opinion.
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    Re: Once Considered Unthinkable, U.S. Sales Tax Gets Fresh Look

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I have a great personal disdain for GW 1 and 2.

    His cuts are fluff in my opinion.
    They are. Cannot, even if I wanted to, argue with that. I hope that more are coming, but I am not going to hold my breath.

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