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    Re: Bush v. Gore lawyers take on gay marriage ban

    I think the Equal Protection Clause is a viable route to go. All it requires in this case is a simple question, "Is marriage a legal institution?" If the answer is "yes", then same-sex marriage wins. The family argument will also be used but it will have to go through equal protection as well. The Iowa State Supreme Court used that route, they stated that homosexual couples had a right to raise their children in a legitimate family just the same as heterosexuals. That is still an equal protection issue.

    Even Scalia was concerned that Equal Protection would cause same-sex marriage to pass.

    "This reasoning [O'Connor's equal protection argument] leaves on pretty shaky grounds state laws limiting marriage to opposite-sex couples."

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    Re: Bush v. Gore lawyers take on gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Thing is, they're there and readily available. It always amazes me that when I can post 12-16 strong studies and come up with numbers from the internet in 10 minutes, why these folks keep focusing on a position that has created minimal movement and is not going to hold up in court. If they use the 14th Amendment, Loving, and black civil rights as the cornerstone of their position, they cannot win. There are far too many holes in all of these points.
    I've been waiting and watching for pro-gm to conduct a credible demographic analysis or two...I guess I'll just keep waiting and watching.

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    I for one am tired of being treated like a second class citizen. I pay my taxes and live according to the laws. I do not have the same rights as others in this country. I do not have equality. Heterosexual people have more rights than I do. I support anything that will advance Lesbian and gay rights. Acceptance is the answer. Freedom for all in the marriage arena.
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    Re: Bush v. Gore lawyers take on gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    I for one am tired of being treated like a second class citizen. I pay my taxes and live according to the laws. I do not have the same rights as others in this country. I do not have equality. Heterosexual people have more rights than I do. I support anything that will advance Lesbian and gay rights. Acceptance is the answer. Freedom for all in the marriage arena.
    You're not raising children, so why should I care about your relationship?

    Through your children you effect me, therefore if you're not raising children, you don't efect me, and I don't see why I should care.

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    Re: Bush v. Gore lawyers take on gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    I for one am tired of being treated like a second class citizen. I pay my taxes and live according to the laws. I do not have the same rights as others in this country.
    Like all other women, you can marry any man that will have you.

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    Re: Bush v. Gore lawyers take on gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You're not raising children, so why should I care about your relationship?

    Through your children you effect me, therefore if you're not raising children, you don't efect me, and I don't see why I should care.
    Gay Marriage has NOTHING to do with raising children as Gays can already LEGALLY raise children without gay marriage.

    This is yet another of the poor "Think of the children" excuses that the right likes to throw out when they've lost any credible debate on a subject of legality.

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    Re: Bush v. Gore lawyers take on gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Like all other women, you can marry any man that will have you.
    That was the excuse they gave for interracial marriage being ilegal.

    You can marry someone of your own race just like whites can.

    Again, doesn't pan out.

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    Re: Bush v. Gore lawyers take on gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Like all other women, you can marry any man that will have you.
    If you as a man can marry a woman why can'she do the same? It is gender discrimanation plane and simple.

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    Re: Bush v. Gore lawyers take on gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Gay Marriage has NOTHING to do with raising children as Gays can already LEGALLY raise children without gay marriage.

    This is yet another of the poor "Think of the children" excuses that the right likes to throw out when they've lost any credible debate on a subject of legality.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    That was the excuse they gave for interracial marriage being ilegal.

    You can marry someone of your own race just like whites can.

    Again, doesn't pan out.
    You're not doing pro-gm any favors.

    Inferno is a well spoken and thoughtful person, so let the woman speak for herself. She's challenged me before, maybe she will again here.

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    Re: Bush v. Gore lawyers take on gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    If you as a man can marry a woman why can'she do the same? It is gender discrimanation plane and simple.
    The point here is that she has the same 'right' as all women -- and so, there is no discrimination against her.

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