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    Re: Bush v. Gore lawyers take on gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    That is all the involvement required to make the statement that marriage is private to be false.

    Secular Marriage involved a collection of individuals recognizing, and even bestowing privilege on people. There is absolutely nothing private about it.
    Lets say for argument's sake that we agree on marriage not being private, what does this have to do with my argument involving equal protection? Privacy would be more of a due process liberty thing, and I can see an argument with that, but I more so support equal protection than due process with this issue.

    Does marriage have a legal aspect to it? If so, then equal protection should apply.
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    Re: Bush v. Gore lawyers take on gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    That is not the state getting involved with the marriage, it is the state getting involved with the hospital. The state is not saying a spouse has to visit the other spouse, it is saying the hospital must allow the option of visitations by a spouse. It is an issue of the hospital, not the marriage.
    Okay I see your train of thought. But with out the marriage the State would not be involved.

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    Re: Bush v. Gore lawyers take on gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Lets say for argument's sake that we agree on marriage not being private, what does this have to do with my argument involving equal protection? Privacy would be more of a due process liberty thing, and I can see an argument with that, but I more so support equal protection than due process with this issue.

    Does marriage have a legal aspect to it? If so, then equal protection should apply.
    I wasn't arguing against any form of equal protection. I simply questioned the notion that marriage is private.

    I don't argue against gay marriage. I like how my state of Iowa did it. They didn't usurp the federal constitution, but rather found that the protection afforded to gay individuals comes from the state constitution, which is how it should be IMO.

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    Re: Bush v. Gore lawyers take on gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Not if Jerry has anything to say about your personal life.
    Jerry was never discussing winston53660's personal life

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    Re: Bush v. Gore lawyers take on gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I told you, the 18,000 legally married gay couples in CA changes the game, as it were, entirely.
    Uh-huh, and I replied to this comment already.
    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Do you think the Supreme Court is made up of conservative judicial activists? (Scalia aside)
    I don't see what my opinion on that topic has to do with this topic at all, but no, I don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Didn't do your homework, I see. Still don't know what you're talking about.
    Well I know someone knows better than me when they demonstrate it

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    You've quoted nothing to me.
    You didn't say my knowledge had to be directed to you specifically in order to actually exist at all. We were just through this on another thread, sorry you missed it.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Even if the Domestic Partnership laws covered EVERYTHING, which they don't, not even close, the bottom line is--separate is not equal.
    There are only a very few itoms CA's Domestic Partnership Law does not cover and that will be cleared up in no time. Topic like Immigration are the result of Federal law, not CA law, yet can still be remedied at the state level.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Does that sound familiar?
    Sure does, you folks don't want to let go if the same-oll arguments even when they keep failing time and again.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Now we have a legal class same-sex married in CA. The 'new' CA constitution bars other same-sex couples from joining that class.
    See this has nothing to do with Marxist class warfair, and even if it did, I don't care.

    Assuming gays actually were "second class citizens" right along with polygamists and familial couples, I don't care about gays because they don't appear to be anything my concept of a family. I can't relate to them. So, I don't care about them. Let them live as second class citizens if those premises are true, it's not like they can't change their "station" at the drop of hat.

    If it's truly an issue of class, fine, void the existing gay-marriages. Problem solved.
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    Re: Bush v. Gore lawyers take on gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Contracts are promises made between parties. What promises are people making to society when entering a marriage contract?
    I know that Jallman's sources conclude that marriage is not a strictly legal contract, and that this concept is not one remotely subscribed to by pro-gm.

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    Re: Bush v. Gore lawyers take on gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Where is these licenses does it say the parties are required to be advantageous to the state?



    Who are these people?

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    Re: Bush v. Gore lawyers take on gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    You've quoted nothing to me.
    Post 308, if you're still interested.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...on-8-a-31.html

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    Re: Bush v. Gore lawyers take on gay marriage ban

    Repeating your posts does nothing to address the criticism of the points you made in your posts.

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    Re: Bush v. Gore lawyers take on gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Repeating your posts does nothing to address the criticism of the points you made in your posts.
    And cutting out the answers in your responses to the criticisms you raise does no better.
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