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California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

Until the proponents for gay marriage win..........That is the way it is on any issue........

Well.....wouldn't that be the will of the people Navy?

Why shouldn't the issue be on the ballot every year to determine exactly what the will of the people is?

Are you suggesting that if people's viewpoints change, they should be bound by a 10 year old ballot initiative?

Doesn't sound like you believe in the "Will of the people".
 
agreed. That was one of the biggest lies that the Mormon's perpetrated on the uneducated public.

That and their little smear campaign trying to convince the uneducated public that the big bad homos were bullying the words "mom" and "dad" out of schools.

It was shameful what they did but I'll be damned if we trust in their good Christian honesty next time around. **** the mormons and every other fundamental whackjob church that helped them with Prop 8.
 
Well....if Constitutional rights are subject to a simple majority vote, then it should be on the ballot every year in order to reflect what the will of the majority is.

Views of gay marriage are changing rapidly. The younger generation overwhelmingly approves of gay marriage. It is inevitable.

Only in your dreams............More and more states are voting to ban gay marriage evry year by huge majorities...........
 
Well.....wouldn't that be the will of the people Navy?

Why shouldn't the issue be on the ballot every year to determine exactly what the will of the people is?

Are you suggesting that if people's viewpoints change, they should be bound by a 10 year old ballot initiative?

Doesn't sound like you believe in the "Will of the people".

Prop 8 is the will if the people.........
 
Only in your dreams............More and more states are voting to ban gay marriage evry year by huge majorities...........

Sorry....you are on the losing side of history here. Attitudes about gay marriage are shifting rapidly. The younger generation overwhelmingly favors gay marriage. Its only a matter of time. Your state bans are simply a desperate attempt by the older generation to hang on to the last bastions of discrimination. Gay marriage is going to happen....even in your lifetime Navy.
 
Only in your dreams............More and more states are voting to ban gay marriage evry year by huge majorities...........

At the same time, more and more states are passing gay marriage. Iowa just did it with a representative vote...if that doesn't tell you there's a shift in public opinion...
 
I'm sorry, but who defined marriage as ONLY between a man and woman in the first place? I don't see anyone re-defining anything. I do, however, see people trying to give it a far more specific definition so that it excludes certain people.

I am always amused by your questioning the OBVIOUS in an effort to avoid any substance. Marriage has been defined over centuries by the church as being between a MAN and a WOMAN for the express purpose of creating life/children.

It is the primary purpose of marriage; if you do not plan to ever have a child, why bother with all the complications and commitment marriage demands?

Now bring in Gay rights activists who decided to demand a re-definition of what marriage means for political reasons. What are those reasons you may ask? The right to adopt children comes to mind which raises a whole new debate which is not for this thread.
 
Sorry....you are on the losing side of history here. Attitudes about gay marriage are shifting rapidly. The younger generation overwhelmingly favors gay marriage. Its only a matter of time. Your state bans are simply a desperate attempt by the older generation to hang on to the last bastions of discrimination. Gay marriage is going to happen....even in your lifetime Navy.



Wht are more and more states voting by huge margins to ban it then?:confused:
 
I am always amused by your questioning the OBVIOUS in an effort to avoid any substance. Marriage has been defined over centuries by the church as being between a MAN and a WOMAN for the express purpose of creating life/children.

It is the primary purpose of marriage; if you do not plan to ever have a child, why bother with all the complications and commitment marriage demands?

Now bring in Gay rights activists who decided to demand a re-definition of what marriage means for political reasons. What are those reasons you may ask? The right to adopt children comes to mind which raises a whole new debate which is not for this thread.


and "marriage" had been defined as only between same races for a long time....so what's your point?
 
Wht are more and more states voting by huge margins to ban it then?:confused:

They're not.....those margins are getting smaller and smaller as the older generation dies off and the younger generations mature.
 
Only in your dreams............More and more states are voting to ban gay marriage evry year by huge majorities...........

In Texas only 13 % showed up when the gay marrige amendment was on the ballot. I know I did not vote for the amendment. And I would not call 13% a huge majority either. I would call it apathetic.
 
I am always amused by your questioning the OBVIOUS in an effort to avoid any substance. Marriage has been defined over centuries by the church as being between a MAN and a WOMAN for the express purpose of creating life/children.

Well, thankfully the church doesn't dictate legislation. And what church specifically are you referring to? Which church invented marriage in the first place?

It is the primary purpose of marriage; if you do not plan to ever have a child, why bother with all the complications and commitment marriage demands?

Says who? Again, show me proof your claims.
 
I am always amused by your questioning the OBVIOUS in an effort to avoid any substance. Marriage has been defined over centuries by the church as being between a MAN and a WOMAN for the express purpose of creating life/children.

It is the primary purpose of marriage; if you do not plan to ever have a child, why bother with all the complications and commitment marriage demands?

Now bring in Gay rights activists who decided to demand a re-definition of what marriage means for political reasons. What are those reasons you may ask? The right to adopt children comes to mind which raises a whole new debate which is not for this thread.

Uh...you're a little late on that one. we can already adopt children in most states.
 
Well it's a good thing I didn't make anything resembling an argument that marriage devalues gays, isn't it?

Originally Posted by jallman
And I guess we'll be getting it right, also, in 2010.

Jerry, this is not the right decision...devaluing a class of citizens based on the moral disapproval of their private lives is so far from a conservative principle I am surprised you aren't gnashing your teeth over it.


:doh
 
They're not.....those margins are getting smaller and smaller as the older generation dies off and the younger generations mature.

Your dreaming my friend the closest they have come was in Oregon where traditional marriage won by almost 60%
 
Originally Posted by jallman
And I guess we'll be getting it right, also, in 2010.

Jerry, this is not the right decision...devaluing a class of citizens based on the moral disapproval of their private lives is so far from a conservative principle I am surprised you aren't gnashing your teeth over it.


:doh

Slap your forehead all you want. But I would suggest you try comprehending what you just quoted, sparky.
 
This one is headed to the SCOTUS.
On what basis?
Correct me if I am wrong, but the CASC ruled on the question as to if the CA constitutionl was amedned properly. There's no federal issue there.
 
Your dreaming my friend the closest they have come was in Oregon where traditional marriage won by almost 60%

You don't follow the news much do you Navy? Prop 8 passed with 52%....which is substantially down from when Prop 22 was on the ballot a decade earlier....

"Oh the times....they are a changin".....
 
Your dreaming my friend the closest they have come was in Oregon where traditional marriage won by almost 60%

The same marriage in which divorce rates are sky high? Seems to me the worth of Marriage is dead.
Stopping Gays getting married isn't somehow going to save the 'sanctity' of marriage seeing there is nothing left
 
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