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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post

    But with same sex marriage all gay men have the exact same marital rights and choices as all heterosexual men.
    But do hetrosexual woman have the same right as heterosexual men to marry a woman?

    Oh wait never mind it is a gender based issue and we. All know the sexes are not equal.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Oh and now we're headed down the 'purpose-of-marriage' road...well, have fun new people, I hope you learn a thing or two regardless of which side of the issue you're on

    And Welcome to DP for those I haven't met yet

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    My fault, I keep forgetting your routine in trying to obfuscate and confuse people by talking about "Constitutional" rights with the Big C implying the actual United States Constitution when in reality you're talking about California's state constitution, which is only a right within the state of California and is not what the vast majority of people, of which I'm sure you know and is why you use it, think of when you talk about "Constitutional Rights".
    I'm not trying to "obfuscate/confuse". Are you trying to say that a Capital C means the United States Constitution? If so....I'm so sorry, I've always been taught that Constitution is always capitalized whether it is state or federal when referencing it as a noun.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And I guess we'll be getting it right, also, in 2010.

    Jerry, this is not the right decision...devaluing a class of citizens based on the moral disapproval of their private lives is so far from a conservative principle I am surprised you aren't gnashing your teeth over it.
    The idea of marriage "devaluing" gays is absurd and can only be defined as such by gays acting absurd. It's as asinine as suggesting that gay marriage is about love; REALLY? You cannot LIVE with or LOVE someone without a little piece of paper stating such?

    No one ever looked at a gay person and suggested they were less of a citizen simply because they couldn't marry; that is the asinine hysterics of a minority trying to force their views on a vast majority who never felt it was an issue until the gay community started such hysterics.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    I'm sorry, but who defined marriage as ONLY between a man and woman in the first place? I don't see anyone re-defining anything. I do, however, see people trying to give it a far more specific definition so that it excludes certain people.
    Basically, the DOMA acts have been the first time in our history that amendments were passed specifically to ban rights from being given from specific people rather than granting rights. It shows just how ugly a segment of America still is.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Oh and now we're headed down the 'purpose-of-marriage' road...well, have fun new people, I hope you learn a thing or two regardless of which side of the issue you're on

    And Welcome to DP for those I haven't met yet
    Feel free to leave the discussion, but keep in mind that I'm not the one who brought up the "trying to re-define marriage" talking point crap.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The idea of marriage "devaluing" gays is absurd
    Well it's a good thing I didn't make anything resembling an argument that marriage devalues gays, isn't it?

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    But do hetrosexual woman have the same right as heterosexual men to marry a woman?

    Oh wait never mind it is a gender based issue and we. All know the sexes are not equal.
    I would just to point out, again, that under existing CA law, gays already have all such rights. Women with women, men with men, it already exists. The whole thing, without any exception at all.

    Therefore this is not about rights in any respect.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    You mean until they get it THIER way? It's hardly a "right" or "wrong" issue but more one of interpretation.

    The idea of marriage has never really been an issue until GAY activists decided they wanted to re-define it and force their views on the majority.
    Who is trying to force their views on who?

    No one on the pro-gay marriage side is saying YOU have to have a gay marriage or that you don't have a right to your own personal views.
    The same cannot be said for the anti-gay marriage crowd.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Feel free to leave the discussion, but keep in mind that I'm not the one who brought up the "trying to re-define marriage" talking point crap.
    Neither am I

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