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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    marriage spurs reproduction? serious? How are all those unmarried teenagers getting pregnant then?
    spurs reproduction, not REQUIRED for reproduction, geez.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    This is a minor setback, but I'm honestly not worried. This issue is not going to go away anytime soon. Homosexuals in this country will continue to fight tooth and nail until they get the rights that they want. Just like any other civil rights issue it is going to take time.
    ....if not tomorrow....then the day after that...or the day after that....

    Gay marriage is inevitable...but the last bastions of discrimination will cling on to the bitter end.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And I guess we'll be getting it right, also, in 2010.
    Shoting down gay marriage again? I sure hope so.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Jerry, this is not the right decision...
    Legally, yeah, it is. Courts MUST comply with the constitution.

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    devaluing a class of citizens based on the moral disapproval of their private lives is so far from a conservative principle I am surprised you aren't gnashing your teeth over it.
    Time and time again, in thread after thread, I'm told to stay out of it because gay marriage does not directly affect my marriage. So, fine, since this ruling doesn't directly affect me in any way, you're on your own

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry Zyph....but that is exactly what Prop 8 was about. The California Supreme Court specifically ruled that bans on gay marriage violated the California Constitution, thus recognizing it as a Constitutional right.
    Prop 8 was a constitutional amendment in response to that. Unfortunately, in California, Constitutional Amendments do not require a 2/3's majority and require only a simple 50%+1 vote. Thus, in California, Constitutional rights can be eliminated by a simple majority.
    My fault, I keep forgetting your routine in trying to obfuscate and confuse people by talking about "Constitutional" rights with the Big C implying the actual United States Constitution when in reality you're talking about California's state constitution, which is only a right within the state of California and is not what the vast majority of people, of which I'm sure you know and is why you use it, think of when you talk about "Constitutional Rights".

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    ....if not tomorrow....then the day after that...or the day after that....

    Gay marriage is inevitable...but the last bastions of discrimination will cling on to the bitter end.
    It will cling on, but it will diminish over time just as racism continues to.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Further, the right to marry someone of one's choice is a right under california law. Sharp v Perez.
    The issue you face is that it's very easy to prove that a black man doesn't have the same rights as a white man if a black man is only allowed to marry certain women.

    But with same sex marriage all gay men have the exact same marital rights and choices as all heterosexual men.

    It's asking for additional rights or choices in regards to marriage. So it's gonna ultimately take either activist judges (the wrong way IMO) or lots of public support (the right way IMO).

    Unfortunately it's a tough complicated issue, legally. It's not nearly as easy to prove wrongdoing on the side of the law as it would be with racial cases.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Are you trying to be serious?
    Yes.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Until they get it right.
    You mean until they get it THIER way? It's hardly a "right" or "wrong" issue but more one of interpretation.

    The idea of marriage has never really been an issue until GAY activists decided they wanted to re-define it and force their views on the majority.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    You mean until they get it THIER way? It's hardly a "right" or "wrong" issue but more one of interpretation.

    The idea of marriage has never really been an issue until GAY activists decided they wanted to re-define it and force their views on the majority.
    I'm sorry, but who defined marriage as ONLY between a man and woman in the first place? I don't see anyone re-defining anything. I do, however, see people trying to give it a far more specific definition so that it excludes certain people.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    nono, interracial and heterosexual marriages are a right. Know why? Because, under their opinions, marriage spurs reproduction. "Gay marriage" involves no reproduction, therefore the state has no interest in those marriages.
    Really? So what separates that from senior citizens getting married or the infertile? What interest does the state have in giving goodies to people who can't reproduce even if they are heterosexual?

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