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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    You are clearly socially liberal and have liberal, as in the modern meaning of various forms of social liberalism, social democracy and such, ideas on gov't. You are no traditionalist or social conservative nor have such ideas on gov't certainly.

    I did not directly call you one though.
    I am clearly libertarian. Government has no right to trample upon the rights of individuals; nor does the federal government have the right to usurp the powers of the states. The latter is hardly a liberal position.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    I am clearly libertarian. Government has no right to trample upon the rights of individuals;
    And these rights you interpret as a social liberal.



    The latter is hardly a liberal position.
    It is also one your hardly seem to uphold.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    The Equal Protection Clause says what it says and its meaning is quite clear: No State shall.. ..deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
    So as I showed above one can hardly be specific about equality so one only has recourse to original and longtime interpretation of that clauses meaning to know what is about. Anything else will be an attack on the rule of law, it will be the judiciary randomly redefining what the clause means.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Gay people in California can get a Domestic Partnership, and have the same rights as Married people. The only difference is they can't say "married". That's it, that's all, the whole suit was about a word.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    And these rights you interpret as a social liberal.

    It is also one your hardly seem to uphold.
    I believe in maximum individual liberty. Individuals have the right to do anything they please, so long as it does not infringe upon the right of others to do as they please. Social liberals don't believe that. They'd place many prohibitions and harsh restrictions upon such rights.

    Tell me how abolishing over half the federal government and turfing those powers to the States is not upholding so-called "State's Rights"?

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    So as I showed above one can hardly be specific about equality..
    Why can't one be specific about equality?

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    I believe in maximum individual liberty. Individuals have the right to do anything they please, so long as it does not infringe upon the right of others to do as they please.
    This is a socially liberal or atomistic viewpoint or at least I'd call it that.

    Social liberals don't believe that. They'd place many prohibitions and harsh restrictions upon such rights.
    They share it atomistic individualism and most of its conclusions, to some degree at least, when considering the social realm.

    Tell me how abolishing over half the federal government and turfing those powers to the States is not upholding so-called "State's Rights"?
    In several threads I have seen you trying to defend or support more federal power, particularly that of the judiciary. Perhaps that is an unrepresentative sample of your views but it has been my experience of them.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The point is that you CANNOT create two parallel institutions even if you make them equal under the law (which they aren't). "Separate but equal" institutions are unconstitutional.
    Is a minority housing grant unconstitutional?

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Is a minority housing grant unconstitutional?
    Clearly.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by April Fool View Post
    Gay people in California can get a Domestic Partnership, and have the same rights as Married people. The only difference is they can't say "married". That's it, that's all, the whole suit was about a word.
    It's more than a word. Domestic partnerships are ineligible for over 1,100 federal benefits conferred upon married couples.

    Consequently, as of December 31, 2003, our research identified a total of 1,138 federal statutory provisions classified to the United States Code in which marital status is a factor in determining or receiving benefits, rights, and privileges. - GAO

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