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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post

    And for legitimate reasons. For example, men can't have babies or become pregnant so men arguing for male breastfeeding laws or maternity leave is silly (though maternity leave is provided to males by some employers).
    And disingenuous reasons as well such as women not being allowed to run around topless while males are free to.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I didn't follow this, I'm sorry to say.
    Gays have equal rights, they want equal rights. So to say they simply need equality is meaningless. What is actually being said is they need equal rights to marry who they want of any sex as long as they are a consenting adult. This however has less of an emotional appeal as simply stating: Homosexuals need equality.

    Also I was commenting on the value of equality itself in response to its seeming ubiquitous worship by some and recalling the old conservative idea of a tension between equality and liberty beyond a certain point. The idea of equality above all is not a good one in my view. I'm not necessarily linking that to the current end of these arguments, as in whether I'm for or against GM, simply talking about the general attitudes.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Then he needs to name one or the other irreplaceable to himself and then work out the goings on of his own household in private.
    But you need better legalese to support that. You can't just say, "well he needs to get with the program," otherwise the same may be said to you.

    What would separate that man from you? What judicial reason would be given for supporting your request while denying recognition of his if he feels both partners are equal and further feels it is wrong for him to be forced into having one of his spouses be legally legit while the other is deemed superfluous from a legal and societal recognition standpoint?

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    But you need better legalese to support that. You can't just say, "well he needs to get with the program," otherwise the same may be said to you.

    What would separate that man from you? What judicial reason would be given for supporting your request while denying recognition of his if he feels both partners are equal and further feels it is wrong for him to be forced into having one of his spouses be legally legit while the other is deemed superfluous from a legal and societal recognition standpoint?
    That is pretty accurate legalese. It directly calls Sharp v Perez and the principles in that ruling. It makes use of the existing marriage contract. Any addition to the marriage contract in terms of number of partners needs to be argued from a corporate law standpoint and not a marriage law.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Oh so you are for government involvment as long as it agrees to what you want.

    Thank you for noting that you are for big government.

    You are about as conservative as a liberal.
    Actually in this case, with prop 8, it's not what I want. I'm trying to frame what I want from a legal standpoint. Having a discussion, you know?

    If I got the chance to vote for same sex marriage I'd vote in favor of it every single time.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    And disingenuous reasons as well such as women not being allowed to run around topless while males are free to.
    I think you would find broad bipartisan support for allowing you to run around topless all you want.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Oh so you are for government involvment as long as it agrees to what you want.

    Thank you for noting that you are for big government.

    You are about as conservative as a liberal.
    Who said anything about involvement? The only involvement is to recognise the marriage in some circumstances as an irreducible unit and deal with it as such rather than with the atomised individuals. That is hardly a more involved gov't, in fact I'd say it is less involvement than when the state does not recognise such units of society and tries to deal with individuals cut off from them. As this is to a degree an invasion of their necessary autonomy and function.

    There are few ways of thinking that are so conservative.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    For the first time in my life, I stopped at a rally on my way home. I have to confess that I have been painfully removed from doing what is right in my effort to maintain a balance which simply does not exist.

    I will not continue to make the same mistake with the remainder of my life.
    Good. It is a cultural war and at this point barring some federal judges coming along and pulling a rabbit out of a hat like they did with abortion this fight won't be won except by having the public demand it which means keeping the topic alive constantly so that you win more and more votes with each generation coming of age; some because they're sympathetic and others because they are so sick to death of it they will vote for it simply to be done with hearing about it.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    And disingenuous reasons as well such as women not being allowed to run around topless while males are free to.
    I wasn't aware that this was a serious issue.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    I wasn't aware that this was a serious issue.
    That's cause you get to mow the lawn with no shirt. I have to sweat it out.

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