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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    There is no constitutional right specifically to gay marriage. The only court cases heard by the Supreme Court that signifies a constitutional right to marriage refers to that of a traditional male and female marriage. The Supreme Court has turned down any case thus far to my knowledge dealing with same sex marriage. As such, until its either:

    1) In the constitution
    2) Decided so by the Supreme Court

    Same Sex Marriage is not a constitutional right. It is your opinion that it is, but it is not a fact it is. The only FACT is that marriage as defined between a man and a woman is a constitutional fact. This remains the case until such time as one of the above two things happen. Until then, its just your OPINION that it is a constitutional right.

    Sorry Zyph....but that is exactly what Prop 8 was about. The California Supreme Court specifically ruled that bans on gay marriage violated the California Constitution, thus recognizing it as a Constitutional right.
    Prop 8 was a constitutional amendment in response to that. Unfortunately, in California, Constitutional Amendments do not require a 2/3's majority and require only a simple 50%+1 vote. Thus, in California, Constitutional rights can be eliminated by a simple majority.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by DamnYankee View Post
    It's only a matter of time before the militant homosexuals go on a rampage which is not that unusual for leftists. Burn a few Mormon churches perhaps. Things like that.
    Yea because all gay people are left leaning.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by DamnYankee View Post
    It's only a matter of time before the militant homosexuals go on a rampage which is not that unusual for leftists. Burn a few Mormon churches perhaps. Things like that.
    When did that happen ever?

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by DamnYankee View Post
    It's only a matter of time before the militant homosexuals go on a rampage which is not that unusual for leftists. Burn a few Mormon churches perhaps. Things like that.
    and its only a matter of time before churches start spreading their lies and deceit in order to scare the brainless that gay marriage will lead to the complete collapse of heterosexual life.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    There is no constitutional right specifically to gay marriage. The only court cases heard by the Supreme Court that signifies a constitutional right to marriage refers to that of a traditional male and female marriage. The Supreme Court has turned down any case thus far to my knowledge dealing with same sex marriage. As such, until its either:

    1) In the constitution
    2) Decided so by the Supreme Court

    Same Sex Marriage is not a constitutional right. It is your opinion that it is, but it is not a fact it is. The only FACT is that marriage as defined between a man and a woman is a constitutional fact. This remains the case until such time as one of the above two things happen. Until then, its just your OPINION that it is a constitutional right.
    I agree with all that however I think the unconstitutionality comes in when one group is treated with a different standard than another. That goes against equal protection and equal rights.

    Basically the government is handing goodies to one group of people while simultaneously devaluing another.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by DamnYankee View Post
    It's only a matter of time before the militant homosexuals go on a rampage which is not that unusual for leftists. Burn a few Mormon churches perhaps. Things like that.
    Put. The Crack Pipe. Down.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And I guess we'll be getting it right, also, in 2010.

    Jerry, this is not the right decision...devaluing a class of citizens based on the moral disapproval of their private lives is so far from a conservative principle I am surprised you aren't gnashing your teeth over it.
    how is it devalueing a class of citizens? It wasn't a ballot banning gays, it was a ballot banning homosexual "unions". Marriages are an action, not a type of people. A lot of Heterosexuals go through life never marrying, so it has nothing to do with "class". You want to have sex in your private bedrooms, go ahead, there is no law in the books banning that and no one really cares. Want to live together like a married couple? You can do that to? Visitation rights when one is ill, hell yea! Nothing to do with being gay, everyhting to do with your "union" being classified as a marriage by society.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry Zyph....but that is exactly what Prop 8 was about. The California Supreme Court specifically ruled that bans on gay marriage violated the California Constitution, thus recognizing it as a Constitutional right.
    Prop 8 was a constitutional amendment in response to that. Unfortunately, in California, Constitutional Amendments do not require a 2/3's majority and require only a simple 50%+1 vote. Thus, in California, Constitutional rights can be eliminated by a simple majority.
    Well, I do think that the CA Supreme Court just ruled against its own relevance today...

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    and its only a matter of time before churches start spreading their lies and deceit in order to scare the brainless that gay marriage will lead to the complete collapse of heterosexual life.
    kinda like how civil rights spread their lies and deciet? "Gay marriage is an inalienable right!". That's the biggest lie in the books right now.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Well, I do think that the CA Supreme Court just ruled against its own relevance today...
    That's what happens when all but 1 of the justices are Republican
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