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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The only difference between the 2 is a name, the only reason anyone gives a **** about that name is because of what it means within the culture, NOT what it means under law.

    Using a different name is how you give gays the legal rights without having to win the sociological battle at the same time.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

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    Until they get it right.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Y'know Jer, sometimes methinks that it is the GOP who wants to put the gay stuff on the ballots, alongside the candidates up for election. That brings more voters out to their side on election day. A subtle form of voter manipulation. The Libs do it too, only they use pot as their magnet issue.

    It really shouldn't be up for a vote. It's only right to do what's right and let them have equality in all things. It should be a mandate. But it ain't the governments job to tell them no in the first place. It ain't the church's either. Getting married to somebody of the same sex OR the opposite sex should be THEIR choice. But the church has every right to NOT sanction it if they so desire. Big deal.

    "Sure, you can get married IF..... " Who has the right to put an "if" in there? To me, that is beyond arrogant. I just don't understand why some people get their panty's in a bunch when gays ask for equality. Who's it gonna hurt? You? Me? I highly doubt it. Much adoo over nothing.
    And this is something I support in theory and wouldn't mind in regards to judicial activism however I'm very hesitant to just agree with judicial activism and judges ruling based on, "how they feel things should be," just because it's a topic I happen to support.

    If there's a right to marry whoever you want they need to find it. They can't pull it out of a magic happy hat. Barring that, the fight just needs to continue till people want and support same sex marriage.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The particular subset of races that each race was allowed to marry is irrelevant. The point is that they did not have the same rights regarding marriage. A white man could marry a white woman, but a black man could not. Unconstitutional. A man can marry a woman, but a woman cannot. Unconstitutional.
    It was unconstitutional for very different and unapplicable reasons.

    For example, the rational behind said racism was the expressed purpose to preserve racial purity.

    No such equivalent argument of hetero purity exists.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    And you think your personal insults score you any points?
    Not at all. Just venting.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Yes I cited this earlier in the thread to support my position...your point?

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It was unconstitutional for very different and unapplicable reasons.

    For example, the rational behind said racism was the expressed purpose to preserve racial purity.

    No such equivalent argument of hetero purity exists.
    The "sanctity of marriage" arguments sound pretty close to me.

    But regardless, the rationale behind the law is not as important as the actual impact of them. Those interracial marriage laws are unconstitutional REGARDLESS of what the rationale is, since not everyone had the same rationale for them. Similarly, anti-gay marriage laws are unconstitutional regardless of what the rationale is.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by FallingPianos View Post
    Are people really taking Jerry seriously?

    I mean, sometimes I'll debate him when I'm feeling squirrely, but for the most part I don't bother with people who are willfully ignorant.
    I'm pretty good at keeping your secrets for someone so ignorant.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes I cited this earlier in the thread to support my position...your point?
    The point is that you CANNOT create two parallel institutions even if you make them equal under the law (which they aren't). "Separate but equal" institutions are unconstitutional.
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