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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And your moral disapproval is not mine.
    Agreed. Now that that's settled, want to ride to hell with Capt'n and myself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    So stop getting in my way when I attempt to petition the government for the same benefits and rights with my partner that you have with yours.
    Hey, if you don't want me to have a say, get it the **** off my ballot.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    The problem is you have to show how inequality is an issue when the standard of one man married to one woman is applied evenly across the board.
    The inequality is apparent when I can't visit Joshua in the hospital without paying for legal aid in drawing up contracts and jumping through hoops that you don't have to jump through. The inequality is evident when almost half my holdings are taken by the government when I pass them on to Joshua and yours are not when passing them on to your family. The inequality is exhibited when you may make the choices you wish for your life and I am left having to make the choices heteros want me to make so their sensibilities are not offended by something they shouldn't even be involved in to start with.

    **** that. It will be a cold day in hell before I ever make apology for the underlying hatred and bigotry inherent in the argument against freedom and liberty when it comes to gays. I will be goddamned if I ever accept that I am a second class citizen and that my relationship is of any less value than yours or Jerry's or anyone else's.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Mississippi isn't California. Our history of civil rights and freedoms is a few hundred light years ahead of yours. The two are NOT comparable. At all. Thank God.
    You're absolutely correct, Mississippi isn't California, thank God! (BTW - I'm from St. Louis, so snarky comments about The Magnolia State really don't offend me.)

    Although California may be a few hundred light years ahead of Mississippi in their history of civil rights and freedoms, Mississippi is only looking at a $480M budget deficit for 2010, while California is looking at a $33.9B shortfall. The Magnolia State may have been behind the curve in civil rights, but they're far and away ahead of The Golden State in terms of governmental fiscal responsibility!

    Anyway... the point I was trying to make previously - which apparently went past you like a Randy Johnson 4-seam fastball - is that if a special-interest group keeps bringing a previously defeated issue to the ballot time and time again, they run the very real risk of not having it passed, and encountering voter backlash at having to re-vote down an issue that was previously voted down, resulting in a greater margin of defeat.

    If you choose to accept that as political fact, or write it off as merely endemic to us redneck, trailer park livin', incestuous, white trash, rednecks is wholly up to you. Just try not to act too surprised should Prop #8 fail again in 2010.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Agreed. Now that that's settled, want to ride to hell with Capt'n and myself?

    We stole full size van from Trump's personal fleet and it has a well stocked wet bar.
    Why would I want to go anywhere or have a drink with anyone who believes that a legitimate argument against my liberty and privacy is that I can make the same choices he can and the problem is instantly solved?

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    The problem is you have to show how inequality is an issue when the standard of one man married to one woman is applied evenly across the board.
    No the problem is you have to show why it is the business of the the government that they should have a problem with two gays getting married.

    Are you saying two gay married people can't raise children when two non-married gay people can?

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    The inequality is apparent when I can't visit Joshua in the hospital without paying for legal aid in drawing up contracts and jumping through hoops that you don't have to jump through. The inequality is evident when almost half my holdings are taken by the government when I pass them on to Joshua and yours are not when passing them on to your family. The inequality is exhibited when you may make the choices you wish for your life and I am left having to make the choices heteros want me to make so their sensibilities are not offended by something they shouldn't even be involved in to start with.

    **** that. It will be a cold day in hell before I ever make apology for the underlying hatred and bigotry inherent in the argument against freedom and liberty when it comes to gays. I will be goddamned if I ever accept that I am a second class citizen and that my relationship is of any less value than yours or Jerry's or anyone else's.
    As a citizen of CA, you already have the right to visit and make medical decisions per existing Domestic Partnership law.

    You already have what you want. There's nothing left to fight for.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    As a citizen of CA, you already have the right to visit and make medical decisions per existing Domestic Partnership law.

    You already have what you want. There's nothing left to fight for.
    Then what are you fighting against if its all the same?
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    As a citizen of CA, you already have the right to visit and make medical decisions per existing Domestic Partnership law.

    You already have what you want. There's nothing left to fight for.
    Until I step out of California and Nevada decides not to allow me. You can keep playing your typical obtuse game, Jerry, but you know full well that we do not have what we want nor what is fair and equal. Though I am loathe to say it, I actually agree with TheNextEra. I believe you take a certain pleasure in ridiculing the struggles of others and I am finding it irreparably offensive.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    The inequality is apparent when I can't visit Joshua in the hospital without paying for legal aid in drawing up contracts and jumping through hoops that you don't have to jump through. The inequality is evident when almost half my holdings are taken by the government when I pass them on to Joshua and yours are not when passing them on to your family. The inequality is exhibited when you may make the choices you wish for your life and I am left having to make the choices heteros want me to make so their sensibilities are not offended by something they shouldn't even be involved in to start with.

    **** that. It will be a cold day in hell before I ever make apology for the underlying hatred and bigotry inherent in the argument against freedom and liberty when it comes to gays. I will be goddamned if I ever accept that I am a second class citizen and that my relationship is of any less value than yours or Jerry's or anyone else's.
    You know I agree with you. I'm only playing devil's advocate.

    But again, from a legal standpoint there is no inequality. The standard is applied evenly across the board. All of the arguments you make could be used by a 42 year old man who wants to marry a 15 year old bride.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Why would I want to go anywhere or have a drink with anyone who believes that a legitimate argument against my liberty and privacy is that I can make the same choices he can and the problem is instantly solved?
    You're not making the same choices as I am. That's the point.

    Take sex out of it for a moment: I don't condone adultery among hetero couples even when it's consensual, yet you and Josh are adulterers to each other. You don't live in the same place, so it can't be said that you're living an equivalent life.

    Hell Inferno is a far, far better poster child for gay-marriage than you are, so let her represent next time.

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