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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    52% to 48% is still a huge majority in one of the most liberal states in this country....
    Down from 28% 8 years earlier.....the times are a changin my friend....you will see gay marriage across the country even in your lifetime.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    4% is pretty big my friend............

    I haven't changed my stance on gay marriage......I am dead set against it for the reasons I have mentioned many times but am still for Civil Unions with equal right.......I think most Americans will buy that burt many are getting tired of the argument and are now even turning against Civil Unions........Its to bad that a few like DD might be screwing it up for the majority......
    Sorry Champ. People such as yourself were against civil unions until the "Sacred" institution of marriage has been raised. All of sudden you guys are all for "Separate but equal". Sorry....not good enough.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Banning gay marriage is a gratuitous attack on a political minority which clearly violates the equal protection clause.
    The equal protection clause makes no mention of "minorities"; it applies to everyone equally, hence it is the "equal" protection clause. Almost every single government program is in violation of this clause yet welfare statists completely ignore it or justify it using legal sophistry and intellectual dishonesty.

    Progressive taxation does not. Bill Gates pays the same base percentage on his first $10,000 of income as I do. Bill Gates pays the same base percentage on his second $10,000 of income as I do. And if Bill Gates and I each make $20 billion next year, we'll have to pay the same base percentage on that as well.
    I never made mention of "progressive" taxation, although I do take issue with its legitimacy under the Constitution. Mainly, what I take issue with is welfare programs that confer benefits upon a specifically defined demographic at the expense of others. These institutions are discriminatory by their very nature and in blatant contradiction with the equal protection clause.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Down from 28% 8 years earlier.....the times are a changin my friend....you will see gay marriage across the country even in your lifetime.
    If the people of a state vote to legalize Gay Marriage so be it.....Why won't "Feel Good" liberals like you accept the will of the people? Why do you always have to bring activist judges and the courts to decide the issue? And you call us the intolerant one.........ROTFLMAO.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry Champ. People such as yourself were against civil unions until the "Sacred" institution of marriage has been raised. All of sudden you guys are all for "Separate but equal". Sorry....not good enough.
    ong before you were a member of DP I stated my opinion on Gay Marriage and it has not changed........You can ask jallman if you don't believe me...
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, actually I don't. I didn't find this out until I was filling out my life insurance paperwork and was told that anything I intended to be left for Josh, I may as well double the amount since we weren't married because close to 50% would be taken from him in taxes. My 150K life insurance policy became a 300K life insurance policy because of that exact problem.
    Then since I'm sole inheritor of my mother's estate, we'd better get started on legalizing incest.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    This really has been a great test case for the insanely broad scope of the California ballot initiative process.

    What's next? In 2010, the California majority, drunk with power, will vote on the following initiatives:

    Prop 15 - Changes the State name to Surf City, U.S.A.

    Prop 26 - Ban vegans from marrying. (It's an unnatural lifestyle choice)

    Prop 33 - Prohibit the sale of cannabis not grown in Humbolt County.

    Prop 41 - Legalize Medical Meth in Riverside County.

    Prop 666 - Make Creationism part of the Orange County School curriculum.

    Prop 99 - Make film acting career a mandatory qualification for Governor.

    Prop 101 - Give every CA resident a seat in the State Assembly.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Well....if Constitutional rights are subject to a simple majority vote, then it should be on the ballot every year in order to reflect what the will of the majority is.

    Views of gay marriage are changing rapidly. The younger generation overwhelmingly approves of gay marriage. It is inevitable.
    According to the California Secretary of State website there are two initiatives (#1356 & #1357) in the circulation stage in California to overturn Proposition 8. Both initiatives need to obtain 694,354 signatures of registered California voters by mid-August in order to be on the next ballot.

    Here's some ballot numbers you might find interesting --

    • On a stand-alone question, 47% were in favor of same-sex marriage, 48% were opposed and 5% were unsure.
    • 85% of voters identifying themselves as evangelical or born-again Christians voted "yes".
    • Of non-evangelical Christians polled, 42% voted yes.
    • 77% of Republicans in the poll voted yes.
    • 65% of Democrats voted no.
    • 85% of John McCain supporters voted yes.
    • 30% of Barack Obama voters voted yes.
    • 61% of Latinos voted yes.
    • 57% of Latinos, Asians, and blacks combined voted yes.
    • 62% of those without a college degree voted yes.


    IMHO - Considering the societal makeup of California, it seems to me that the key for the pro-gay marriage initiative to pass in California is the Latino/Asian/black demographic.

    BTW -- Re your post #291 above: I'll bet that Paul and Ringo will ask me to join them in reforming The Beatles before gay marriage becomes state law here in The Magnolia State...
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, actually I don't. I didn't find this out until I was filling out my life insurance paperwork and was told that anything I intended to be left for Josh, I may as well double the amount since we weren't married because close to 50% would be taken from him in taxes. My 150K life insurance policy became a 300K life insurance policy because of that exact problem.
    How do you know that's a matter of your rights under the law and not a corporate policy?

    WAIS Document Retrieval

    297.5. (a) Registered domestic partners shall have the same rights,
    protections, and benefits, and shall be subject to the same
    responsibilities, obligations, and duties under law, whether they
    derive from statutes, administrative regulations, court rules,
    government policies, common law, or any other provisions or sources
    of law, as are granted to and imposed upon spouses
    .
    Bro I think yo have a genuine lawsuit on your hands.

    Civil Unions and Domestic Partnership Statutes

    California

    California has passed three pieces of legislation that provide rights and responsibilities to registered domestic partners (same-sex couples and opposite-sex couples over the age of 62 are eligible to register). Assembly Bill 26 passed in 1999 established the statewide domestic partner registry and conferred a handful of rights which included hospital visitation and the right of state and local employers the ability to offer health care coverage to the domestic partners of their employees. Assembly Bill 25 was passed in 2001 and extended the rights of domestic partners to include the right to make medical decisions, the right to inherit when partner dies without a will, the right to use state step-parent adoption procedures, the right to use sick leave to care for a domestic partner and the right to be appointed as administrator of estate. In 2003 Assembly Bill 205 was passed, basically extending all of the state-level rights and responsibilities of marriage to domestic partners. The rights and responsibilities associated with Assembly Bill 205 went into effect on Jan. 1, 2005.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    I want to pick on gays with a good natured spirit here for sec...

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    297. (a) Domestic partners are two adults who have chosen to share
    one anther's lives in an intimate and committed relationship of
    mutual caring.

    (b) A domestic partnership shall be established in California when
    both persons file a Declaration of Domestic Partnership with the
    Secretary of State pursuant to this division, and, at the time of
    filing, all of the following requirements are met:

    (1) Both persons have a common residence.
    (2) Neither person is married to someone else or is a member of
    another domestic partnership with someone else that has not been
    terminated, dissolved, or adjudged a nullity.

    (3) The two persons are not related by blood in a way that would
    prevent them from being married to each other in this state.


    (They're gay...that means no one in the partnership will be having the other's children...)

    (4) Both persons are at least 18 years of age.
    (5) Either of the following:
    (A) Both persons are members of the same sex.
    (B) One or both of the persons meet the eligibility criteria under
    Title II of the Social Security Act as defined in 42 U.S.C. Section
    402(a) for old-age insurance benefits or Title XVI of the Social
    Security Act as defined in 42 U.S.C. Section 1381 for aged
    individuals. Notwithstanding any other provision of this section,
    persons of opposite sexes may not constitute a domestic partnership
    unless one or both of the persons are over the age of 62
    .


    (Uh-oh, look who's discriminating now)

    (6) Both persons are capable of consenting to the domestic
    partnership.

    (c) "Have a common residence" means that both domestic partners
    share the same residence. It is not necessary that the legal right
    to possess the common residence be in both of their names. Two
    people have a common residence even if one or both have additional
    residences. Domestic partners do not cease to have a common
    residence if one leaves the common residence but intends to return.


    (Jallman, you live alone...right? That might explain your problems with the insurance company.?)

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