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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

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    I just thought that would be a ****ed up thing to say to someone
    I can top that.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What? No.

    I'm checking that out.
    Yes. If you die, your wife gains all your holdings without penalty upon your death unless specified in a will.

    If I die, Josh gets taxed at close to 50% of the value of anything he inherits from me.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yes. If you die, your wife gains all your holdings without penalty upon your death unless specified in a will.

    If I die, Josh gets taxed at close to 50% of the value of anything he inherits from me.
    Help me out here, do you know of a link right to that statute? I mean, I can get to the Civil Union stuff but if you already know where this is I'd like to know. If not that's cool I'll share what I find.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yes. If you die, your wife gains all your holdings without penalty upon your death unless specified in a will.

    If I die, Josh gets taxed at close to 50% of the value of anything he inherits from me.
    Which given the Republicans focus on the Estate Tax, you'd think they'd support gay marriage.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Help me out here, do you know of a link right to that statute? I mean, I can get to the Civil Union stuff but if you already know where this is I'd like to know. If not that's cool I'll share what I find.
    No, actually I don't. I didn't find this out until I was filling out my life insurance paperwork and was told that anything I intended to be left for Josh, I may as well double the amount since we weren't married because close to 50% would be taken from him in taxes. My 150K life insurance policy became a 300K life insurance policy because of that exact problem.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And it's not ok when it gets done in those other instances either.
    Absolutely, I agree. Which brings me to my point: Many gay marriage proponents actively advocate discriminatory government institutions yet they cite the equal protection clause when it comes to gay marriage. To me, this entire issue highlights the hypocrisy of leftists whose economic policy is predicated entirely upon unequal treatment under the law. They cite the Constitution only when it serves their agenda. They have no consistent philosophy or legal theory with which to approach any issue, so they rely on sophistry and appeals to emotion. I知 sick of this faux-love for our Constitution and their brazen misapplication of the law.

    P.S. - I知 not referring to you. I know you池e a fiscal conservative.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Absolutely, I agree. Which brings me to my point: Many gay marriage proponents actively advocate discriminatory government institutions yet they cite the equal protection clause when it comes to gay marriage. To me, this entire issue highlights the hypocrisy of leftists whose economic policy is predicated entirely upon unequal treatment under the law. They cite the Constitution only when it serves their agenda. They have no consistent philosophy or legal theory with which to approach any issue, so they rely on sophistry and appeals to emotion. I知 sick of this faux-love for our Constitution and their brazen misapplication of the law.

    P.S. - I知 not referring to you. I know you池e a fiscal conservative.
    I am pretty socially conservative, too. But I don't find it ok to do things like give an institution to one group but deny another group access to the same, setting up bailouts determined by the race of the business owner, carrying out affirmative action policies, etc, etc. So in that regard, I see your point.

    But both sides of the aisle have their own faux love for the constitution. It's just different amendments they slobber all over in their attempt to promote their own agenda.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I am pretty socially conservative, too. But I don't find it ok to do things like give an institution to one group but deny another group access to the same, setting up bailouts determined by the race of the business owner, carrying out affirmative action policies, etc, etc. So in that regard, I see your point.

    But both sides of the aisle have their own faux love for the constitution. It's just different amendments they slobber all over in their attempt to promote their own agenda.
    It just irks me when I see all these economic authoritarians talking about "rights" as if they gave a sh*t.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Absolutely, I agree. Which brings me to my point: Many gay marriage proponents actively advocate discriminatory government institutions yet they cite the equal protection clause when it comes to gay marriage. To me, this entire issue highlights the hypocrisy of leftists whose economic policy is predicated entirely upon unequal treatment under the law. They cite the Constitution only when it serves their agenda. They have no consistent philosophy or legal theory with which to approach any issue, so they rely on sophistry and appeals to emotion. I知 sick of this faux-love for our Constitution and their brazen misapplication of the law.

    P.S. - I知 not referring to you. I know you池e a fiscal conservative.
    Banning gay marriage is a gratuitous attack on a political minority which clearly violates the equal protection clause.

    Progressive taxation does not. Bill Gates pays the same base percentage on his first $10,000 of income as I do. Bill Gates pays the same base percentage on his second $10,000 of income as I do. And if Bill Gates and I each make $20 billion next year, we'll have to pay the same base percentage on that as well.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I just cannot comprehend.
    Exactly what I said.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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