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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    But that still doesn't constitute a huge majority. Ratios, my friend.
    4% is pretty big my friend............

    I haven't changed my stance on gay marriage......I am dead set against it for the reasons I have mentioned many times but am still for Civil Unions with equal right.......I think most Americans will buy that burt many are getting tired of the argument and are now even turning against Civil Unions........Its to bad that a few like DD might be screwing it up for the majority......
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    So, in 1955, my parents should not have been given a marriage license?

    Then who would have adopted my sister and me?

    Kinda cold, man.
    You should have been aborted.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Oh yeah...because it's always a great day when a mob limits the equality of the few.
    Gays still have all the same civil rights with their partners as heteros do with theirs...so...there's no inequality in any way.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You should have been aborted.
    That's a sick vicious statement to make.

    What's with the hostility?

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Gays still have all the same civil rights with their partners as heteros do with theirs...so...there's no inequality in any way.
    Except that you can pass your holdings to each other tax free upon death. It's a HUGE inequality...something to the tune of 50% worth of inequality.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I agree with all that however I think the unconstitutionality comes in when one group is treated with a different standard than another. That goes against equal protection and equal rights.

    Basically the government is handing goodies to one group of people while simultaneously devaluing another.
    But doesn't our government already do this all the time?

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    That's a sick vicious statement to make.

    What's with the hostility?
    I just thought that would be a ****ed up thing to say to someone

    ahem...er..I mean..."oh so now a woman's right to choose is 'offensive' to you? Wow how misogamist."
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    In my opinion...

    As a both a liberal and a strong proponent of gay marriage, I think it's time to admit that we lost this battle fairly. We put up a good fight, but now it's time to focus on the next battle, the changing of hearts and minds. I know that the best of us can get a little heated on this issue, but I think it's time we look at the will of the majority and ask ourselves what we can do to turn majority opinion to see the issue our way. I want to see gay marriage a reality in our country, but more than that, I want to see the vast majority agree with marriage equality for homosexual couples. I think this can eventually be accomplished, but not if we start blasting court decisions or the will of the majority, even if we think it isn't right.

    I read an advice column in the local Raleigh paper about a lesbian couple who decided to get married. Everyone showered them with congratulations, save for one of the women's co-workers who claimed that she did not support gay marriage, so she couldn't congratulate her even though they were friends. The bride-to-be was pretty upset at this, but held her tongue and continued to be as nice to the woman as she had always been. So imagine her surprise when she discovered that the woman who had made those anti-gay marriage remarks bought the newleyweds an extremely expensive gift listed on their wedding registry. According to the article, both she and her husband now regularly get together with the lesbian couple for dinner. I imagine her opinion has changed quite a bit, now that she has seen for herself that gay marriage is no big deal at all.

    My hope is that things like this begin happening everywhere, and eventually majority opinion swings our way. Until then, though, i'll respect the opinion of the court, even if I disagree with it.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Except that you can pass your holdings to each other tax free upon death. It's a HUGE inequality...something to the tune of 50% worth of inequality.
    What? No.

    I'm checking that out.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    But doesn't our government already do this all the time?
    And it's not ok when it gets done in those other instances either.

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