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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Someone who knows how to debate doesn't constantly ask obtuse questions or expect OTHERS to prove the OBVIOUS either; they actually bring their own opinions and facts to the argument in support of their counter opinion, something I might add you rarely do.
    I could care less whether you find my questions obtuse or not. If you don't like them, don't answer them. And don't get all pissy if someone asks you to provide proof of your assertions. It's a simple request and kind of expected if you want your argument to have any credibility.

    Rather than debate, your method is to constantly ask OTHERS to support their opinions rather than express one of your own or bring a counter point to the argument; its pretty lame.

    The only thing more lame is your selective outrage.
    I already have expressed my opinion on the topic, thanks. Do you want to continue to discuss the topic or are you going to throw out more personal attacks?

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    The slim margin Prop 8 won by was not a drop kick. And respect for the constitution would involve respect for its most basic principle, that being that all men are equal.
    BUT... in this case, the question before the court had NOTHING to do with gay rights or gay marriage or how you choose who to sleep with -- indeed, it has EVERYTHING to do with the procedure under which the CA constitution was amendment. In that, its is hard to see how the CA court's decision was anything but correct.

    And so, any and all coversation regarding gay rights or gay marriage or how you choose who to sleep with is off topic.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja Pig View Post
    They got it right. Gay marriage has been drop kicked by the voters. Kicked to the curb. Finally, the will of the people will stand. I'm sure Perez Hilton is quite depressed that democracy held true, but for those of us who support the constitution and respect the voting process it is good news indeed.
    Yeah, a 52-48 margin is really the same as being "drop kicked by the voters."

    That's down from a 61-38 margin on a similar measure back in 2000. In other words, it's gone from a 23 point margin to a 4 point margin in a mere eight years. There is a very good chance that it will be reversed in 2010 if it is on the ballot again.
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    California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8Was trying not to be specific, but going to have to be it seems. If someones badgering you personally, ignore them instead of responding and playing into their bait. If someone is not wanting to address your point, then deal with that instead of constantly hounding them about being off or on topic. I don't care who is more off topic than the other, that isn't the topic. The topic is the courts ruling. Deal with it, or deal with people not responding to your posts, but the next response directly dealing with an individual poster that comes after this warning is getting thread banned and points, no ifs ands or buts.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Zyphlin has done an excellent job here.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Well....if Constitutional rights are subject to a simple majority vote, then it should be on the ballot every year in order to reflect what the will of the majority is.

    Views of gay marriage are changing rapidly. The younger generation overwhelmingly approves of gay marriage. It is inevitable.
    Really great point.

    The ballot initiative process in CA is broken--IMO--when it empowers the majority to trample the rights of the minority.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    The slim margin Prop 8 won by was not a drop kick. And respect for the constitution would involve respect for its most basic principle, that being that all men are equal.

    Nice try though.
    It doesn't matter, the results are the results. The same thing the libs have been saying about Obama's victory. And all men are created equal. Gays can get married and call themselves married. It doesn't mean they are deserving of benefits meant to encourage procreation. Additionally, all men are welcome to marry the woman of his choice. No men are restricted from this. If you choose to be with a man instead, that is your choice.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yeah, a 52-48 margin is really the same as being "drop kicked by the voters."

    That's down from a 61-38 margin on a similar measure back in 2000. In other words, it's gone from a 23 point margin to a 4 point margin in a mere eight years. There is a very good chance that it will be reversed in 2010 if it is on the ballot again.
    How funny that liberals haven't sang this same tune when discussing the recent election of Obama. Claims of winning by a large margin and this other baloney. Now all of sudden the margin isn't that big now that the outcome desired is different. How convenient.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja Pig View Post
    If you choose to be with a man instead, that is your choice.
    unless you want to marry him.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja Pig View Post
    How funny that liberals haven't sang this same tune when discussing the recent election of Obama. Claims of winning by a large margin and this other baloney. Now all of sudden the margin isn't that big now that the outcome desired is different. How convenient.
    What you imagine "liberals" believe about Obama's margin of victory is irrelevant to the subject at hand.
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