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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Oh one of them would be leaving the family home to the surviving spouse tax free.
    Well then have the law changed. You are telling me that laws cannot be changed and that the ONLY solution is that we re-define what marriage means and its basic tenet with procreation?

    Would it not be a hell of a lot easier to have the legislature change the law in cases where there is a gay union?

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Uh...you're a little late on that one. we can already adopt children in most states.
    I just trying to understand the importance of re-defining marriage if you can already do everything anyone else can.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Nobody gets married anymore, the law in UK has actually legislated those who are living together for a extended amount of time have the rights of a married couple.

    Gay marriage is in many European countries. Hasn't made no impact on marriage at all.
    This is again a red herring argument as this is not about the impact on marriage, it is about the impact on SOCIETY and the basic structure of any society; the family unit which is a mom and a dad who creates the child. In fact, many European countries are experiencing an unprecedented decline in birth rates.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    This is again a red herring argument as this is not about the impact on marriage, it is about the impact on SOCIETY and the basic structure of any society; the family unit which is a mom and a dad who creates the child. In fact, many European countries are experiencing an unprecedented decline in birth rates.
    And how, exactly, does that translate into an argument against gay marriage? Is everyone in Europe marrying a gay now and that's why they aren't having babehz?

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    People who thought that blacks were second class citizens also thought people were attempting to SHOVE their views in their faces.....

    so what's you point?
    Attempting to equate racial inequality with marriage is specious and typifies the emotional hysterics made by those attempting to equivocate on this issue.

    People did indeed see persons of race as inferior and attempted to deny them of their basic rights as a citizen. No one sees Gays as being inferior for the mere fact that they cannot get married in a traditional sense.

    As a matter of fact, NO one disputes that gays should be able to have civil unions and property rights. They just have issues with re-defining what marriage means.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    This is again a red herring argument as this is not about the impact on marriage, it is about the impact on SOCIETY and the basic structure of any society; the family unit which is a mom and a dad who creates the child. In fact, many European countries are experiencing an unprecedented decline in birth rates.
    Yeah but who wants children tbh.
    I doubt the declining birth rate has anything to do with marriage and its decline but probably the decline of religion and the control females have over their womb.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And how, exactly, does that translate into an argument against gay marriage? Is everyone in Europe marrying a gay now and that's why they aren't having babehz?
    Not enough Gays for everyone in Europe to get one unfortunately.


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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's one of the things that always surprised me; how ****ing stupid do straight people think I am when they look at me with a straight face and tell me that butt sex is going to ruin marriage whereas 50% divorces and Brittainy Spears' 20 something hour marriage doesn't?
    And yet, no one has ever told you this or even made such an asinine argument. How profound that you have to once more fabricate an argument to support your position on this issue.

    Trust me, a vast majority who are on my side of this issue including myself, could care less who or how many times you want to have BUTT sex; that's your business and as long as you don't, excuse the pun, shove it in our faces, we could care less.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldwaters View Post
    What about Church going gay couples who have children from previous hetero marriages before they came out? They are spiritual/Presbyterian and are following the tradition of raising kids. Should they be allowed to marry supposing it was legal?

    I know a lesbian couple who are this example.
    So we should legislate based on remote exceptions?

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    So we should legislate based on remote exceptions?
    We make legal decisions based on them why not?
    Each one of the founding fathers was a special interest group.

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