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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    If you're 20 and a conservative, you don't have a heart.

    If you're 40 and a liberal, you don't have a brain.

    Most of that younger generation will mature into conservatives, like most of the 60s liberals did.
    cute saying....but it ain't gonna happen here. Even the older generation is coming around on this issue.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Yeah exactly. I'd love to know what this sanctity thing is that people keep referring to. We live in a culture that makes a complete mockery of marriage with reality shows, drive thru marriages, the ease of divorce, etc. All of that is okay, but letting homosexuals get married is just too far apparently.
    Nobody gets married anymore, the law in UK has actually legislated those who are living together for a extended amount of time have the rights of a married couple.

    Gay marriage is in many European countries. Hasn't made no impact on marriage at all.


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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    The same marriage in which divorce rates are sky high? Seems to me the worth of Marriage is dead.
    Stopping Gays getting married isn't somehow going to save the 'sanctity' of marriage seeing there is nothing left
    Marriage is based in religious spirituality and traditional values of raising children.

    Those that truly enter marriage with that in mind have a very low divorce rate. Those that marry to "cement their love for eternity" without a sense of spiritual and parental commitment, tend to divorce at a very high rate.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Marriage is a right according to the SCOTUS.
    If that were indeed the case - what would happen to people that want to get married if all of the state laws to that effect were repealed?

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Another trite yet absurd desperate argument; but alas, avoiding the fallacy of the gay marriage argument appears to be the forte' of those who would also hysterically claim that it somehow devalues them as a class of citizen.

    It's absurd and emotional hysterics, but this is what one can expect from gay activists who for no reason OTHER than shoving their views in others faces, wishes to make this into a BIG issue that never existed or occurred to anyone before NUMEROUS attempts to re-define it using the courts occurred.

    Now after being beat countless times at the ballot, they are still not through attempting to SHOVE their views in the faces of many who do not agree with their desperate hysterics, they will once more attempt again and again until they finally wear down their opponents and get their way.

    Why would the opponents of gay marriage get worn down you may ask? Because essentially it is not a HUGE issue to them except for the fact that when given the CHOICE, they CHOOSE the correct definition of what marriage is and not the emotional hysterical argument that it is about a Constitutional right.
    People who thought that blacks were second class citizens also thought people were attempting to SHOVE their views in their faces.....

    so what's you point?
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Marriage is based in religious spirituality and traditional values of raising children.

    Those that truly enter marriage with that in mind have a very low divorce rate. Those that marry to "cement their love for eternity" without a sense of spiritual and parental commitment, tend to divorce at a very high rate.
    Do you have some statistics proving this assertion? Because I'd really be interested in seeing them.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Marriage is based in religious spirituality and traditional values of raising children.

    Those that truly enter marriage with that in mind have a very low divorce rate. Those that marry to "cement their love for eternity" without a sense of spiritual and parental commitment, tend to divorce at a very high rate.
    If the spirtuality of your marriage is dependent on whether gays have the same rights as you ... It says something about that persons marriage imo ..
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Riiiight....because there are no gays that can provide a family environment...and every heterosexual home is a loving and nuturing one.
    That is not the argument; the argument is that it is PROVEN that the BEST environment for raising a child is when there is a MOM and a DAD and particularly when they are the ones who brought the child into the world in the first place and are in a stable relationship.

    The notion that tearing down the basic structure of human society as being a GOOD idea can only be expressed by a desperate minority who does not concern itself with what may be a healthy environment for a child and would prefer to demagogue the issue with emotional hysterics.

    Would an orphan raised in a gay household with a dedicated devoted same sex couple be better off than in an orphanage or foster home; without a doubt. But that is not the debate.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Nobody gets married anymore, the law in UK has actually legislated those who are living together for a extended amount of time have the rights of a married couple.

    Gay marriage is in many European countries. Hasn't made no impact on marriage at all.
    Europe is a shadow of its former self. What happened to once-great England. It's being overrun from within by people who seek to destroy it, and the rich traditions and sophistications are no more. I wish the UK would find another Churchill or Thatcher.

    I fear that is starting to happen here, too.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    The same marriage in which divorce rates are sky high? Seems to me the worth of Marriage is dead.
    Stopping Gays getting married isn't somehow going to save the 'sanctity' of marriage seeing there is nothing left
    That's one of the things that always surprised me; how ****ing stupid do straight people think I am when they look at me with a straight face and tell me that butt sex is going to ruin marriage whereas 50% divorces and Brittainy Spears' 20 something hour marriage doesn't?

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