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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I wouldn't. Separate but equal is never either.

    I would be fine with government getting out of the marriage field altogether and civil unions for everyone.
    Well, I for one don't think that the government should be able to dictate religious matters just as religions shouldn't be able to dictate government matters. If a church doesn't want to perform a gay marriage because it goes against their dogma they shouldn't be forced to.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Well good news and bad news.

    Good News-California Supreme Court did not overtrun the will of the people.

    Bad News-I personally disagree with the will of the people in California.

    But to finish with good news, when it gets passed in the future, it looks like there is now precedent for the California Supreme Court to uphold the results of the vote.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I agree with all that however I think the unconstitutionality comes in when one group is treated with a different standard than another. That goes against equal protection and equal rights.

    Basically the government is handing goodies to one group of people while simultaneously devaluing another.
    What "goodies" are married couples getting fromt he Government?

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I am hardly surprise to see you purposely misquote the argument; it is about the further breakdown of families. But alas, why should you give a crap about family or family values and the importance for them to have a MOM and a DAD right?
    Riiiight....because there are no gays that can provide a family environment...and every heterosexual home is a loving and nuturing one.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I am hardly surprise to see you purposely misquote the argument; it is about the further breakdown of families. But alas, why should you give a crap about family or family values and the importance for them to have a MOM and a DAD right?
    So a family with two DADS or two MOMS is somehow incapable of providing the same love and care that a family including a MOM and DAD would? Is that what you are implying?

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Well, I for one don't think that the government should be able to dictate religious matters just as religions shouldn't be able to dictate government matters. If a church doesn't want to perform a gay marriage because it goes against their dogma they shouldn't be forced to.
    agreed. That was one of the biggest lies that the Mormon's perpetrated on the uneducated public.
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    How many times do the need to vote on it?
    Until the proponents for gay marriage win..........That is the way it is on any issue........
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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I wonder what actuaries at insurance companies would do with the term?
    That would be my only real issue with civil unions. It would have to be treated EXACTLY the same as marriage. I mean, take the marriage contract and strike out the word marriage and replace it with "civil union" but leave every other word intact.

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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    It would end a lot of the fight and to be honest I'd be quite happy with that. However, there would be people who would continue to argue that it still doesn't make it "equal".

    Ofc it would, There is no difference between civil unions and marriage. Except the name ofc but they'd still be 'married' in the proper sense of the word.


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    Re: California Supreme Court Upholds Proposition 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Until the proponents for gay marriage win..........That is the way it is on any issue........
    Oh come on Navy. It isn't just limited to gay marriage. Why are you trying to demonize them? People continued to fight for civil rights too and didn't stop until they got what they wanted. How is this any different?

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