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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    They did show they were discriminated against IMO. Title VII says nowhere that a test must or even should be deemed obsolete garbage just because a surprising number of white men and a Hispanic scored high while black men did not.

    The proof is obvious. The test was issued to see which fire fighters would be promoted to lieutenant or captain. The "pc correct ratio" of skin colors did not perform as desired. Thus the test was deemed racist. There is no proof whatsoever that the test was racist and there is NOTHING in Title VII saying that ratio results may be used to determine whether or not an employment test was prejudiced.

    This is point blank reverse racism where the top scorers are punished because some have a problem with most of them being white as opposed to more diverse.
    I will dig into it more...but not now. Hockey game starting, so I am going to be too distracted to dig into something as thick and slow going as that stupid decision.

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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You forgot to add:

    Believes ones personal "journey" and gender and race factor into how they judge, and how judges should act.


    That is what disqualifies her.
    Yup, that is your opinion. Opinion is a key and descriptive word here. The court renders opinions. What are opinions based upon ? Hopefully facts, but let's face it it involves experiences, interpretation of law, interpretations or applications of prior opinions, and we all know that the personal philosophy has to enter even it is at the subconscious level.

    A judge is a human not a computer. A computer will add 2 plus 2 and will come up with the answer 4 from now to enterinity.

    A human will ask is that first number really a 2 ? Should we really be adding these two numbers ? Are there other numbers which should be considered ?
    Does the numeric values of 2 apply in this case ?
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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You forgot to add:

    Believes ones personal "journey" and gender and race factor into how they judge, and how judges should act.


    That is what disqualifies her.
    Well I believe that every judge brings his own personal "journey" and gender and race factor into how they judge. Also they bring their experiences and the attitudes of the social or economic class that they came from.

    So based upon that we need to disqualify all of the Supremes!!
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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Yup, that is your opinion. Opinion is a key and descriptive word here. The court renders opinions. What are opinions based upon ? Hopefully facts, but let's face it it involves experiences, interpretation of law, interpretations or applications of prior opinions, and we all know that the personal philosophy has to enter even it is at the subconscious level.

    A judge is a human not a computer. A computer will add 2 plus 2 and will come up with the answer 4 from now to enterinity.

    A human will ask is that first number really a 2 ? Should we really be adding these two numbers ? Are there other numbers which should be considered ?
    Does the numeric values of 2 apply in this case ?
    I see you missed that... damned able piece of PAPER the Constitution. Ya know, I know this sounds odd to some people, but regardless of who you are as judge, and whom the plaintiffs are... that piece of paper trumps all. If you cannot accept that, work with that reality... ya shouldn't be on the bench... EVER.
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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I see you missed that... damned able piece of PAPER the Constitution. Ya know, I know this sounds odd to some people, but regardless of who you are as judge, and whom the plaintiffs are... that piece of paper trumps all. If you cannot accept that, work with that reality... ya shouldn't be on the bench... EVER.
    NO NO NO AND NO, I did not miss anything!!! I take it that yes the Constitutuion is obviously the starting point but what you may be forgetting or ignoring is that the Constitution no matter how great a document it is there is always the possibility that an "interpretation" of that great document is needed. Let's face it if there no question as to whether a case is answerable by the words of the Constitution and if no interpretation was ever needed there would be no cases coming up to the Supreme Court therefore we would not need a Supreme Court.
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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    NO NO NO AND NO, I did not miss anything!!! I take it that yes the Constitutuion is obviously the starting point but what you may be forgetting or ignoring is that the Constitution no matter how great a document it is there is always the possibility that an "interpretation" of that great document is needed. Let's face it if there no question as to whether a case is answerable by the words of the Constitution and if no interpretation was ever needed there would be no cases coming up to the Supreme Court therefore we would not need a Supreme Court.
    Actually, I agree with you on that, and my problem is not with her being an activist judge who would legislate from the bench. I agree that this is kind of a BS talking point from my side. However, what I AM concerned with is her interpretation of the Constitution, which IMHO, is just about as bad as legislating from the bench. I want a justice who is going to interpret the Constitution strictly, and she clearly does not meet that standard.
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