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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    I have found a site that purports to have actual examples of the types of questions found on the New Haven firefighter test. As you will see, they have no relation to firefighting, but could be considered to favor a candidate with a privileged education. Here is one of the questions:

    Questions 5 - 8 refer to the following reading passage.

    The emotional abilities children acquire in later life build on those of the earliest years. And these abilities are the essential foundation for all learning. Successful learning is not predicted by how many facts a person knows or the ability to read so much as by emotional and social measures: being self-assured and interested; knowing what kind of behavior is expected and how to rein in the impulse to behave poorly; being able to wait, to follow directions, and to turn to others for help; and expressing needs while getting along with others.
    A child's emotional abilities depend on the most basic of all knowledge, how to learn. There are seven key ingredients of this crucial capacity - all related to emotional intelligence:
    Confidence. A sense of control and mastery of one's body, behavior, and world; the child's sense that he is more likely than not to succeed at what he undertakes, and that adults will be helpful.
    Curiosity. The sense that finding out about things is positive and leads to pleasure.
    Intentionality. The wish and capacity to have an impact, and to act upon that with persistence. This is related to a sense of competence, of being effective.
    Self-control. The ability to modulate and control one's own actions in age-appropriate ways; a sense of inner control.
    Relatedness. The ability to engage with others based on the sense of being understood by and understanding others.
    Capacity to Communicate. The wish and ability to verbally exchange ideas, feelings, and concepts with others. This is related to a sense of trust in others and of pleasure in engaging with others, including adults.
    Cooperativeness. The ability to balance one's own needs with those of others in group activity.
    5. According to this passage, which of the following is
    true?

    1) The ability to read is not important to a child's successful learning.
    2) A child's level of emotional intelligence is highly related to how well she can control her impulses.
    3) Emotional intelligence is learned early in life and does not change once adulthood is reached.
    4) A child's level of emotional intelligence is independent of the child's ability to learn in school.

    Signs of the Times - David RePass Comments on The New Haven Firefighters Test

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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    http://www.adversity.net/newhavenfd/...2009-28-06.pdf

    It's in there, though I am about half through and not scrolling backward and losing my place to find the quote.
    The actual case, and the case before the Supreme Court, do not touch on the fairness of the test. The case hinges on whether New Haven had the right to negate the test.

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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    http://www.adversity.net/newhavenfd/...2009-28-06.pdf

    It's in there, though I am about half through and not scrolling backward and losing my place to find the quote.
    OMG that reads like the most wrong headed ass backwards bunch of dribble I've ever read in my life. Jeeezus. No wonder we're so screwed up.

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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Again, this is as I understand it, and I may be mistaken(though I don't think I am).

    The way the law is written, whether the test is race neutral is determined by the result, ie if blacks do not do well on the test, the law says it is not race neutral.

    The whole case is stupid. I worry that no one is going to get what they should, and justice is not going to be served. I just am not sure that this is Sotomayer's fault.


    They fault is in the way she dismissivley ruled here.

    Given her racist anti-white comments, a pattern develops.
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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I have found a site that purports to have actual examples of the types of questions found on the New Haven firefighter test. As you will see, they have no relation to firefighting, but could be considered to favor a candidate with a privileged education. Here is one of the questions:

    Questions 5 - 8 refer to the following reading passage.

    The emotional abilities children acquire in later life build on those of the earliest years. And these abilities are the essential foundation for all learning. Successful learning is not predicted by how many facts a person knows or the ability to read so much as by emotional and social measures: being self-assured and interested; knowing what kind of behavior is expected and how to rein in the impulse to behave poorly; being able to wait, to follow directions, and to turn to others for help; and expressing needs while getting along with others.
    A child's emotional abilities depend on the most basic of all knowledge, how to learn. There are seven key ingredients of this crucial capacity - all related to emotional intelligence:
    Confidence. A sense of control and mastery of one's body, behavior, and world; the child's sense that he is more likely than not to succeed at what he undertakes, and that adults will be helpful.
    Curiosity. The sense that finding out about things is positive and leads to pleasure.
    Intentionality. The wish and capacity to have an impact, and to act upon that with persistence. This is related to a sense of competence, of being effective.
    Self-control. The ability to modulate and control one's own actions in age-appropriate ways; a sense of inner control.
    Relatedness. The ability to engage with others based on the sense of being understood by and understanding others.
    Capacity to Communicate. The wish and ability to verbally exchange ideas, feelings, and concepts with others. This is related to a sense of trust in others and of pleasure in engaging with others, including adults.
    Cooperativeness. The ability to balance one's own needs with those of others in group activity.
    5. According to this passage, which of the following is
    true?

    1) The ability to read is not important to a child's successful learning.
    2) A child's level of emotional intelligence is highly related to how well she can control her impulses.
    3) Emotional intelligence is learned early in life and does not change once adulthood is reached.
    4) A child's level of emotional intelligence is independent of the child's ability to learn in school.

    Signs of the Times - David RePass Comments on The New Haven Firefighters Test
    I call b.s. on two counts. Firstly fire fighters work with children all the f-ing time both on the job via schools and community programs AND via actual firefighting where understanding some child psychology definitely could come in handy. Remember this isn't a standard fire fighting test. It was a test for promotions to higher level positions such as Lieutenant within the dept.

    Second, THEY WERE F-ING TOLD WHAT TO STUDY. As in, "study this book, these chapters."

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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I call b.s. on two counts. Firstly fire fighters work with children all the f-ing time both on the job via schools and community programs AND via actual firefighting where understanding some child psychology definitely could come in handy. Remember this isn't a standard fire fighting test. It was a test for promotions to higher level positions such as Lieutenant within the dept.

    Second, THEY WERE F-ING TOLD WHAT TO STUDY. As in, "study this book, these chapters."



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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    The problem is affirmative action and quotas messed the works up in the first place. Probably initially to even become a fire fighter white folks had to perform to a certain bar to get "in." Black folks probably had to perform to a lower bar to make the cut. Now take that group and give them all a Lieutenants test and it's common sense that the whites are going to do better because they performed better back in the day when they became firemen. It's not rocket science. But aiming to justify, rationalize, and embrace these policies does take a bit of mind-bending gymnastics I'm sure.

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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    OMG that reads like the most wrong headed ass backwards bunch of dribble I've ever read in my life. Jeeezus. No wonder we're so screwed up.
    Dinner on the oven, so got time to say: for once we agree 100 %. There is so much stupidity in all this, I hardly know where to begin.

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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    They fault is in the way she dismissivley ruled here.

    Given her racist anti-white comments, a pattern develops.
    How did she rule against the law? I am reading in amongst making dinner at the moment, but so far, it does look like the law is at fault. Thanks again for the link.

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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post

    Second, THEY WERE F-ING TOLD WHAT TO STUDY. As in, "study this book, these chapters."
    that would make sense but again, show me where it says the New Haven test answers were in a study guide?

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