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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    It's a test for fire fighters. How could it possibly not have been race neutral? Gimme a break.
    You are arguing against something I am not saying. I don't even like the idea of having to worry about race in a job test. The test should be based on the job, not on race.

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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    It's a test for fire fighters. How could it possibly not have been race neutral? Gimme a break.
    I cannot find specific examples from the New Haven test but, if a firefighter test asked for the chemical breakdown of a specific type of plastic, that answer would favor applicants with an education in college level chemistry, which might favor white applicants.
    Tests can be devised to weed out minorities, it's a remnant of Jim Crow that still exists.

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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I cannot find specific examples from the New Haven test but, if a firefighter test asked for the chemical breakdown of a specific type of plastic, that answer would favor applicants with an education in college level chemistry, which might favor white applicants.
    Tests can be devised to weed out minorities, it's a remnant of Jim Crow that still exists.
    You study for the fire fighter exam. It's part book - which you study for and part PT- which you train for.

    There is nothing on the test that isn't garnered from studying the training manual. If they don't read the book or don't retain the info that's not a racist issue.

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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post

    There is nothing on the test that isn't garnered from studying the training manual. If they don't read the book or don't retain the info that's not a racist issue.
    How can you know that all the material in the New Haven test was in the training manual? Please link to your confirmation.

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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    How can you know that all the material in the New Haven test was in the training manual? Please link to your confirmation.
    Because that's how it normally is. They do have study guides. Why don't you link to the specifics that were both racial and not in the study guides? Surely Sotomayer must have highlighted them in her decision? oops. No she didn't.

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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Although the parties dispute the exact racial breakdown of
    candidates passing the Captainís test,7 plaintiffs do not dispute
    that the results showed a racially adverse impact on African-
    American candidates for both the Lieutenant and Captain
    positions, as judged by the EEOC Guidelines. Pl. L.R. 56 Stmt. ∂
    246; Def. L.R. 56 Stmt. ∂ 246. Thus, it is necessarily
    undisputed that, had minority firefighters challenged the results
    of the examinations, the City would have been in a position of
    defending tests that, under applicable Guidelines, presumptively
    had a disparate racial impact.
    I am still reading...or, I will be in a bit, this is incredibly dry reading, I need a break.

    This quote I do find interesting. It is from the document from the original court ruling. As I read through this, I am more and more convinced the problem is with the law, not with the ruling.

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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Because that's how it normally is. They do have study guides. Why don't you link to the specifics that were both racial and not in the study guides? Surely Sotomayer must have highlighted them in her decision? oops. No she didn't.
    Just link to confirmation that the test was taken from the study guide. I can't find that, though it would make sense.

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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Just link to confirmation that the test was taken from the study guide. I can't find that, though it would make sense.
    http://www.adversity.net/newhavenfd/...2009-28-06.pdf

    It's in there, though I am about half through and not scrolling backward and losing my place to find the quote.

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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am still reading...or, I will be in a bit, this is incredibly dry reading, I need a break.

    This quote I do find interesting. It is from the document from the original court ruling. As I read through this, I am more and more convinced the problem is with the law, not with the ruling.
    Well please link the law too so we can judge whether it was a wild interpretation and over reach of said law or if the ruling merely upheld the law.

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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Well please link the law too so we can judge whether it was a wild interpretation and over reach of said law or if the ruling merely upheld the law.
    Patients and stuff, I am not that fast a reader. Also, have not actually seen a link yet to the law, but will keep eye open and link it along if I find it. Taking a break and making dinner now though, so gunna be awhile. Feel free to give a hand, I used Rev Hellhound's link as a starting place.

    Edited to add: oh, and it will be multiple laws, the firefighters filed based on a number of things, including suing for emotional distress.
    Last edited by Redress; 05-27-09 at 05:15 PM. Reason: completeness

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