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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    There is no such thing as unprejudiced information.
    But there is information that presents both sides rather than hyper-partisan blather.

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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Yes. It's also worrisome that she thinks her ethnicity makes her a better judge or that her life experiences matter in any way when it comes to deciding the constitutionality of a law.
    I'm all for ethnic pride and all that jazz but to say that one can make better decisions based solely on their race is retarded.

    I wouldn't seriously consider someone who makes such a statement if I were president.
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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    I'm not weeding through all of the posts here, but I will add the following. If you're against her because she leans left (so some say, but I have no idea if it's true or not), why is that? The last two nominees (both appointed by Bush) are right leaning. Do you not want a balance or do you think that right is the only way?
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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

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    Interesting article in Wikipedia. It seems that in the US there is a conception, or misconception as the case may be, that Hispanic is the same as Latino.


    Just to point out Spaniards and Portuguese consider themselves white, its not just perception. If you call them Hispanic they get pissed.
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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    I found this on the Guardian website [It is a left leaning paper] and figured it is worth a read.

    Obama's supreme court pick | Dylan Loewe | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
    The president recognises that if the Democratic party can turn Hispanic voters into a loyal bloc of supporters, they can continue to expand their margins around the country, even in places as conservative as Texas, driven almost entirely by Hispanic population growth.

    Will nominating the first Hispanic justice to the highest court further Obama's courtship of the Hispanic community? It certainly can't hurt, though it's hard to imagine that it alone will do the job. But Obama may stand to gain more, not from corralling a majority of Democrats to vote in favor of Sotomayor, but from inspiring the most virulent elements of the Republican party to oppose her.

    The Republican leadership has already indicated that they view the fight over Obama's Supreme Court nominee as a good opportunity to unify their base and that, among those on the short list, they were most eager to go after Sotomayor. But if they follow through, if they do decide to spend the next two and half months waging an impossible fight against a nominee whose confirmation is all but guaranteed, they may cause permanent damage. If the Hispanic community abandons the Republican party altogether, the Republican party can abandon any serious hope of regaining power in American politics for some time to come.
    The Guardian takes the view that this is done on more political reasons to basically cause the republicans to lose the hispanic vote if they draw it out or increase loyalty to democrats


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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I'm not weeding through all of the posts here, but I will add the following. If you're against her because she leans left (so some say, but I have no idea if it's true or not), why is that? The last two nominees (both appointed by Bush) are right leaning. Do you not want a balance or do you think that right is the only way?
    I prefer a right leaning candidate solely because they generally make better decisions based on what is constitutional.

    Our constitution is pretty clear and basic. Not much need to change anything because it is naturally flexible. All decisions should be made towards individual rights and most times against government expansion of power.

    Right leaners more often than left leaners do this. Not always but more than left leaners do.
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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Here is an excellent description about how what she said is true and doesn't make her crazy.

    The Washington Monthly

    The pertinent part:
    It's not true. While occasionally setting precedent is inevitable that in no way implies that the court of appeals serves to set policy. She knows that. She understands she shouldn't have said it. She laughs it off but knows it was inexcusable to say on tape. Making excuses for what she said is wrongheaded as she herself knows what she said was a daft admission of her own thought processes.

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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    But there is information that presents both sides rather than hyper-partisan blather.
    How can you stand your own ignorant hypocrisy? Here I am bringing new facts to light and you resist it, yet you stand on a soap box and rail against one-sided coverage of a subject.


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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm all for ethnic pride and all that jazz but to say that one can make better decisions based solely on their race is retarded.

    I wouldn't seriously consider someone who makes such a statement if I were president.
    If a male judge alluded to the notion that he was a better judge for having a penis all hell would break loose.
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    Re: Obama to pick Sotomayer for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    It's not true. While occasionally setting precedent is inevitable that in no way implies that the court of appeals serves to set policy. She knows that. She understands she shouldn't have said it. She laughs it off but knows it was inexcusable to say on tape. Making excuses for what she said is wrongheaded as she herself knows what she said was a daft admission of her own thought processes.
    Oh brother. I think she understands that her answer needed to be more nuanced. Maybe because I am a lawyer, I understand this better. I dunno. But I am stunned by the number of people who are hysterical about this. I dont' know what laws you all think are so clear that a court never has to really think about how to apply the law to a set of facts.

    "She's not wrong," said Jeffrey Segal, a professor of law at Stony Brook University. "Of course they make policy... You can, on one hand, say Congress makes the law and the court interprets it. But on the other hand the law is not always clear. And in clarifying those laws, the courts make policy."

    As Segal noted, one of the most recent cases heard by the Supreme Court -- itself a court of appeals -- involves the strip search of a 13-year-old who school officials believed was carrying ibuprofen. "There is no clear knowing statement whether officials can be sued for that sort of behavior," he noted. "So when justices come up with a decision on that, they would be making policy."

    "Where Policy Is Made": Sotomayor's Court Comment Explained

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