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    Re: Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

    True, and I think they will do nothing but vocally condemn us.
    Be careful in the assumption that the U.S. is so strong and important that only vocal condemnation will be our reward. If conflict arises with Iran, they must appear the aggressors or China and Russia may very well put economic pain on the U.S., besides of the fact that we need them to deal with North Korea.

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    Re: Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The American decision to stop supplying the Japanese war machine with oil wasn't an economic warfare tactic. Those claiming otherwise are lending credence to the silly notion that Japan wasn't 150% to blame for starting their war with the United States.
    It absolutely was economic warfare, to say otherwise is to say you don't understand the dynamics of World War II at all.

    Dean Acheson authored the economic sanctions that were imposed upon Japan by FDR due to their expansionist policies in China/Indochina (which emulated western expansionism to a tee). It cut them off from key U.S. exports they needed for survival of their empire. Japan offered to withdrawal from China and Indochina, save for a protection buffer against Russia, in return for oil exports to be restored. The U.S. refused the offer because it reminded them too much of the appeasement policies of Munich. The result was the decision by Japan to seize the oil fields of the Dutch East Indies. They believed we had already declared war on them by the embargo and as such, they struck at the only military capability they thought a threat to their ultimate survival...the fleet at Pearl Harbor. And we all know what happened there.

    Of course our decision to completely and utterly destroy Japan, once an ally after World War I, wasn't necessarily the best course of action. Hindsight being what it is, we should have found a way to negotiate an actual settlement with Japan. It would have been their troops containing the spread of communism in the Korean Peninsula and Vietnam instead of ours.
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    Re: Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Be careful in the assumption that the U.S. is so strong and important that only vocal condemnation will be our reward. If conflict arises with Iran, they must appear the aggressors or China and Russia may very well put economic pain on the U.S., besides of the fact that we need them to deal with North Korea.
    I understand and agree with you, however the economic sword cuts two ways. You try to cripple us economically and the rest of the world will feel the pain equally.
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    Re: Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Be careful in the assumption that the U.S. is so strong and important that only vocal condemnation will be our reward. If conflict arises with Iran, they must appear the aggressors or China and Russia may very well put economic pain on the U.S., besides of the fact that we need them to deal with North Korea.
    The United States is too large a market. China and Russia would only protect their oil investments. They wouldnt try and prevent the US from warring with Iran but would likely oppose an occupation.

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    Re: Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I understand and agree with you, however the economic sword cuts two ways. You try to cripple us economically and the rest of the world will feel the pain equally.
    The United States is DEEP in recession. The failure of the US market to hold up the world market already has the rest of the world hurting. After 9/11 the whole world was on ur side. Now after a failed War on Terror and a new administration cutting all links to said war, this is one of the worst time to fly the Stars and Strips.

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    Re: Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxientius View Post
    The United States is too large a market. China and Russia would only protect their oil investments. They wouldnt try and prevent the US from warring with Iran but would likely oppose an occupation.
    I have to agree with you here. If we proposed occupying Iran like we did Iraq then I think that would stimulate a pronounced and direct response (they won't let us gain a hegemony in the oil fields of the middle east). However, they would be hard pressed to engage in economic or armed conflict over us retaliating against Iran for trying to destabilize the world economy.
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    Re: Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I have to agree with you here. If we proposed occupying Iran like we did Iraq then I think that would stimulate a pronounced and direct response. However, they would be hard pressed to engage in economic or armed conflict over us retaliating against Iran for trying to destabilize the world economy.
    They would oppose the occupation regardless of "who poked who first". The Chinese and Russians don't want the US to control such large oil reserves. Nor does OPEC. This cuts US dependency on them for oil.

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    Re: Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxientius View Post
    They would oppose the occupation regardless of "who poked who first". The Chinese and Russians don't want the US to control such large oil reserves. Nor does OPEC. This cuts US dependency on them for oil.
    I absolutely agree.

    I edited my post to add the denial of the oil hegemony while you were still posting by the way. I'm with you on this.
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    Re: Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxientius View Post
    They would oppose the occupation regardless of "who poked who first". The Chinese and Russians don't want the US to control such large oil reserves. Nor does OPEC. This cuts US dependency on them for oil.
    This is one of the reasons that the Shanghai Corporation Organization was developed by China and Russia. It is planned for Asian nations to work together to balance the power of the U.S. in the region and to protect the interests of the region.

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    Re: Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    This is one of the reasons that the Shanghai Corporation Organization was developed by China and Russia. It is planned for Asian nations to work together to balance the power of the U.S. in the region and to protect the interests of the region.
    So you now agree with me and lerx?

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