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    Re: Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I was just going to post that, but you beat me to it.
    Ha ha! You too slow!

    Anyways, relevant to that is Iran's anti-shipping capacity. While it's not that big of a threat to modern warships, imagine two sunburns sinking a supertanker in the middle of the transit path which is a mere 6 miles. As the ship breaks apart debris will go everywhere create a serious nautical hazard in the world's most important shipping lane. At its deepest, its 150 feet. A super tanker would literally be 60+ feet out of the water. While it may take more than 4 cargo ships the point is pretty obvious. Some TNT and a bunch of old cargo ships is all Iran needs to do to cause insane things to happen in the world's oil and gas markets. Iran's navy is not the threat. I'd be far more afraid of its civilian naval assets.
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    Re: Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If Israel or the US strikes Iran first, you can count on Iran closing the strait.
    I'd agree with this. The moment Iran gets hit, the straight will go down and then it's economic hell on both Israel and the US. That's a pretty powerful trump card Iran's holding. And a good incentive to reduce our need for oil as well as natural gas, as NG's prices are tied to crude.
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    Re: Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If Israel or the US strikes Iran first, you can count on Iran closing the strait.
    Well sure they will try, but to what end? It just gives us license to unleash hell upon them. Again, Iran in alone in this endeavor in many ways.
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    Re: Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Well sure they will try, but to what end? It just gives us license to unleash hell upon them. Again, Iran in alone in this endeavor in many ways.
    I don't know about that. Essentially it would be a reaction to our attack and it would not be a direct attack upon America and its soil like 9/11 was. Removing a regime for indirect economic warfare that was provoked seems a bit extreme and I don't know of any historical precedent for that.
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    Re: Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I'd agree with this. The moment Iran gets hit, the straight will go down and then it's economic hell on both Israel and the US. That's a pretty powerful trump card Iran's holding. And a good incentive to reduce our need for oil as well as natural gas, as NG's prices are tied to crude.
    That would give us carte blanche to move and secure the straits militarily. They would get one real shot and then we would dismantle their ability to do things like cook with gas, turn on the lights, use a phone, export oil to their customers, cross certain bridges, produce nuclear energy, etc.
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    Re: Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I don't know about that. Essentially it would be a reaction to our attack and it would not be a direct attack upon America and its soil like 9/11 was. Removing a regime for indirect economic warfare that was provoked seems a bit extreme and I don't know of any historical precedent for that.
    I didn't say regime change, I said unleash hell upon them. Tomahawks and air strikes for ten days straight. Cripple some of their infrastructure. Leave the regime in tact. Overtly supply the opposition. Let it happen from within.
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    Re: Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I don't know about that. Essentially it would be a reaction to our attack and it would not be a direct attack upon America and its soil like 9/11 was. Removing a regime for indirect economic warfare that was provoked seems a bit extreme and I don't know of any historical precedent for that.
    Thats why the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. We placed an oil embargo on them, in response to the Japanese joining the Axis powers. No they didn't try to effect regime change, but it is an example of an historic military action being taken, because of an economic warfare tactic.
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    Re: Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Not quite.

    Think about it. Strait of Hormuz. Place the four large cargo ships in the strait. Scuttle them. Congratulations, You just shutdown all shipments of oil out of the Gulf. Any predictors of what that will do to world oil and gas prices? Iran's navy damage capacity is a peashooter compared to what it can do with four old cargo ships.
    Wow. That's scary. Maybe the US should look for alternate sources of energy to provide our needs before those danged (hmmmm....I left out an "er" in there somewhere) Iranians eliminate their ability to ship oil around the world.

    Then again, we don't need alternate anything, we just have to line up all the Democrats in the government against a wall and velcroing them there to keep them out of the way (finally) so the country can get back to doing what the United States does best, beating the pants off everyone else. In this case, it's perfectly stupid to be leaving perfectly good American oil in American soil when lunatics are trying to hold us hostage with their own oil.

    Drill our own oil, and tell those countries we don't need their oil so they'll have to figure out what to offer us in trade that we can't get right here at home cheaper.

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    Re: Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Not quite.

    Think about it. Strait of Hormuz. Place the four large cargo ships in the strait. Scuttle them. Congratulations, You just shutdown all shipments of oil out of the Gulf. Any predictors of what that will do to world oil and gas prices? Iran's navy damage capacity is a peashooter compared to what it can do with four old cargo ships.
    I would not worry overly about that. At best(worst) it would close the Straits a fairly brief time. The navy has trained for these situations, and should be able to clear out any such in surprisingly short order. It really is unbelievable how much force and how precisely we can apply that force to problems like this, and force is a large part of how it would be handled.

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    Re: Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    That would give us carte blanche to move and secure the straits militarily. They would get one real shot and then we would dismantle their ability to do things like cook with gas, turn on the lights, use a phone, export oil to their customers, cross certain bridges, produce nuclear energy, etc.
    Depends on what the Russians and the Chinese do in that event.

    How many of you Democrats out there, now that you're becoming aware of the vulnerability of the US to overseas oil, are going to grow up and do the right thing, ie, contacting your Congressthing and your Messiah and demanding that the US immediately start drilling for our own god damned oil?

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