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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    For the record, specifically for those who refuse to understand:

    "Social Conservatives" only seek to maintain what has been referred to as the "civil society". A properly functioning "civil society" needs very little Government interference. The preservation of the "civil society" was the aim of the framers who drafted a Constitution of largely negative rights (things that the Government is not allowed to do to you.).


    If you can point to instances where the aims & beliefs of social conservatives -order, private property, Natural Law, de-centralization, custom, convention & tradition have lead to an expanse in government, you may have a point about social Conservatism being at odds with people like Barry Goldwater.
    Well, with a little viligence, we won't have any issues to point out as long as we can keep the social conservatives at bay as we have been able to do so far.

    I am somewhat socially conservative myself. I am pro-life, therefore I stood responsible for my offspring. But you don't see me picketing abortion clinics. I have several social conservative traits. I have several liberal traits. I have no right to shove either down the throat of my neighbors.

    I got no problem with social conservatives, per se. It's only when they want to push their own particular, favored, brand of morals off on other people who don't want to buy them. Especially when they want to change the constitution or enact laws that follow their own line of archaic thinking and force them upon the generations to follow.

    If left to run the hen-house, it wouldn't surprise me to see them add a God Squad Department in Homeland Security. Much like in Saudi Arabia.

    But America says, "Homey don't play dat."
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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Well, with a little viligence, we won't have any issues to point out as long as we can keep the social conservatives at bay as we have been able to do so far.

    I am somewhat socially conservative myself. I am pro-life, therefore I stood responsible for my offspring. But you don't see me picketing abortion clinics.

    I got no problem with social conservatives, per se. It's only when they want to push their own particular, favored, brand of morals off on other people who don't want to buy them. Especially when they want to change the constitution or enact laws that follow their own line of archaic thinking and force them upon the generations to follow.

    If left to run the hen-house, it wouldn't surprise me to see them add a God Squad Department in Homeland Security. Much like in Saudi Arabia.

    But America says, "Homey don't play dat."
    If a social conservative seeks to blunt the Government-mandated secularization of our culture ("civil society") in the political realm where it is being waged it can appear as though the social Conservative is seeking to install a theocracy, ecclisiocracy, monarchy etc... That couldn't be further from the truth.

    Just because someone may cite religious freedom to combat a secularist's Government mandate doesn't mean that person wants everyone to kowtow to their particular religion or take on morality.

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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    To make my point more clear, until the GOP un-hooks their wagon from the social conservatives, whom a resounding percentage of Americans reject, (nay, detest,) and return to their fiscal conservative roots and re-adopt a Goldwater "live and let live" brand of conservatism, not entangled with the religious zealots, they ain't gonna get anywhere.

    As the song says, "But when you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow." (But in this case, the picture is, perhaps, Rush Limbaugh or Dick Cheney. )
    While I do not prescribe to your description of them as religious zealots and am hardly one myself, you do realize that these "zealots" make up a vast majority of the Republican Party and also a vast silent majority of the American people right?

    Now, that stated, is your argument that re-defining what is meant by marriage and on-demand abortion should not be part of the moral fabric of the Republican Party?

    I have never seen gay marriage or abortion on any Republican Platform. I have seen many of the leaders express their honest views on the topic, but it is hardly a litmus test. That idea has primarily been the expressed views of the mainstream media who are obviously in the tank for Democrat politicians.

    But all these issues aside, do you think that the vast majority of Christian Americans should have NO voice in our politics and should just succumb to Liberals views in order to get political power?

    You see to me there is a HUGE difference between Liberal Democrats and Conservative Republicans when it comes to compromise; Liberal Democrats idea of compromise requires one to give up their position and accept theirs and if not, they will shout you down and demagogue the issue. Conservatives welcome an open debate on those issues and in many cases lead to compromise in order to get things done.

    During Bush's Administration, we saw the most bi-partisan congress we have had in decades; yet all that it got him was the label of being nothing different from Democrats, Democrat Light or big spending Democrat from BOTH sides of the aisle. I am confused how this worked for him.

    Now we see a severely divided congress and nation where the Democrats are basically saying if you do not agree with them, tough ****sky.

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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I'll give you an honest answer. I think Powell supported Obama because Obama is considered to be an African-American.

    And somehow that's ok?
    I agree with your assessment to a certain degree; but I also think he must also prescribe to the notion that BIG Government can also lead to a more prosperous nation.

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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Well, with a little viligence, we won't have any issues to point out as long as we can keep the social conservatives at bay as we have been able to do so far.

    I am somewhat socially conservative myself. I am pro-life, therefore I stood responsible for my offspring. But you don't see me picketing abortion clinics. I have several social conservative traits. I have several liberal traits. I have no right to shove either down the throat of my neighbors.

    I got no problem with social conservatives, per se. It's only when they want to push their own particular, favored, brand of morals off on other people who don't want to buy them. Especially when they want to change the constitution or enact laws that follow their own line of archaic thinking and force them upon the generations to follow.

    If left to run the hen-house, it wouldn't surprise me to see them add a God Squad Department in Homeland Security. Much like in Saudi Arabia.

    But America says, "Homey don't play dat."
    I think that you have described a vast majority of Conservatives.

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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I'll give you an honest answer. I think Powell supported Obama because Obama is considered to be an African-American.

    And somehow that's ok?
    I'll be honest, that was probably a factor. And I don't claim to speak for Colin Powell, but in his defense...

    He cited several reasons for choosing Obama over McCain. A significant factor, he said, was McCain's selection of Sarah Palin as VP.

    “I don’t believe [Palin] is ready to be president of the United States,” Powell said flatly. By contrast, Obama’s running mate, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, “is ready to be president on day one.”
    And yes, he did express dissatisfaction with the Republican party. Powell was disgusted by Republican fear campaigns labeling Obama as a Muslim, and making the tenuous Ayers/Weatherman connection. And he asked a question I applaud him for - "So what if he was Muslim?" Powell said he felt the Republican party was becoming "narrower and narrower". In the end, he believed Obama had the superior judgment and was running by far the better, more inclusive campaign.

    (Article: Powell endorses Obama for president - Meet the Press, online at MSNBC- msnbc.com)

    He called out the GOP on everything that was wrong with the party, namely pandering to extreme social conservatives and PACs aimed at the lowest common denominator. Maybe this means the Republicans should cast him from their ranks. Or maybe he's right, and Republicans need to examine who is "allowed" in their party.

    I'm with Newt Gingrich - anyone who thinks they can win elections without getting some portion of the moderates is sadly mistaken.

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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Well then, maybe I got my definitions all sideways.

    Please tell me which element of our society supports/lobby's for the following:

    1. Making abortions illegal.
    2. Keeping marijuana illegal.
    3. Keeping marriage options away from same sex couples, by law.
    4. Censoring performance speech.
    5. "Acceptable" dress codes.
    6. Swiftboat style propaganda.



    It's those kinda folks America wants to get away from. People like Limbaugh and Hannity. I thought them to be social conservatives. If I am wrong, I stand corrected.

    I'm with Newt Gingrich - anyone who thinks they can win elections without getting some portion of the moderates is sadly mistaken.
    Also, as far as Newt is concerned, I think he get credit for being the catalyst that initially divided our nation to begin with. He is symbolic of why the GOP is in the fix it's in today. Just add a few Limbaughs, Kenneth Starr's, Brother Jeb's, and viola!
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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by thales
    He cited several reasons for choosing Obama over McCain. A significant factor, he said, was McCain's selection of Sarah Palin as VP.


    Why didn't Powell endorse McCain right off the bat instead of waiting until after McCain's numbers sucked so bad (doing specifically what Powell & other moderates said the GOP should do), that John McCain's team had to go out and add on Sarah Palin to energize the base?

    Who knows, if General Powell had endorsed McCain (the moderate) right off the bat, the GOP might have made a bee-line to the middle as Powell and others suggest they must do. Instead he waited. Why?

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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Once again you are wrong. Neo-conservatives are defined as a sect of conservatives who believe that U.S. military and economic might should be used to spread democracy throughout the world.

    And yes, Kennedy and Johnson were both fools for engaging in us is Vietnam. I agreed with the type of support we provided in Afghanistan during the Soviet Invasion, and wished that was our roll in Vietnam.
    Isn't "spreading democracy throughout the world" exactly what the US has been doing since WWII? In an effort to thwart communism?

    "Neocon" is nothing more than a word used to insult people we don't like.

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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I have always believed that Colin Powell was a covert member of our left wing conspiracy to destroy America. Glad you confirmed it for me.
    Glad you confirmed trying to destroy America. Yall are doing a first class job.
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