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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Great post earlier--BTW.

    I would like to interject here, in terms of calling people/things by what they really are:

    Rush Limbaugh is a college drop-out who found a niche in talk radio during the Clinton years. He is not a social conservative. He is a performer who plays a social conservative on the radio.

    I do not believe that he actually believes (or understands) half the things he says. The arguments are way too thin and unoriginal, the rhetoric too comically extreme (just like the Sam Raimi movie I saw this weekend).

    Rush, like Ann Coulter, found a niche and they both put on a performance, memorizing lines, coming up with catch phrases like SNL, selling their merchandise. What they do is very similar to professional wrestling, it's all staged and choreographed.

    The biggest joke was earlier in the year when Rush 'challenged' President Obama to an economics debate. A college drop-out wanted to debate a Harvard Law graduate. Talk about delusions of grandeur.

    IMO.
    I really don't want to be the guy defending Rush Limbaugh here, but Bill Gates and a number of other prominent people dropped out of college as well... I'm sure for much different reasons than Rush but still...

    And while your right about Limbaugh putting on a show, I think Coulter is just a nutcase.
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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by Tubub View Post
    What seems to slip your mind is that party's are collections of people. Just like different sects of left-wing people exist in the Democratic party, different sects of right-wing people can exist in the Republican party. Your idea that your view is the only view for the Republican party and then blaming Powell for providing a moderate voice shows your hypocrisy.

    "A state without the means of some change is without the means of its conservation" Edmund Burke, one of the founders of Western Conservatism, said that. Do you understand what that means? Clearly not, your more keen to listen to Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh on what Conservatism is.

    So if Powell thinks failed policies have been endorsed for 8 years, and he has had personal knowledge to support his thought, then why is it somehow un-conservative for him to support someone who provides change? Is it not rationality to support the person who could repair America's image and reverse failed policies? You say you are sticking by your principles, but it sounds more like Powell is sticking by his.

    Conservatism is to be rational and have good judgment. Powell used his good judgement on the color of the situation, not the color of a man's skin.



    "Not seldom has it seemed," Kirk declared, "as if some eminent Neoconservatives mistook Tel Aviv for the capital of the United States." Russell Kirk said that at a lecture at the Heritage foundation in 1988. He would probably puke today.

    Your thought that neo-conservatism and social conservatism are true conservatism is dead wrong. History has a different story to tell, and I think you owe an apology to Lincoln, Teddy, Eisenhower, GoldWater, and Raegan for that matter.

    Anyway, stop recommending to people to leave the Republican party. Instead, leave yourself. I've been in this party all my life and I'm not going to leave just because some arrogant, narrow-minded prick wants to tell me moderates aren't allowed.



    This argument has absolutely nothing to do with the Democrats or partisan politics. This is about the REPUBLICAN PARTY and its future, stop referring back to liberals for your argument.

    In the words of Ronald Reagan: "If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism"

    PS: You earlier insulted Powell for supporting Obama saying he did it purely because the color of his skin. Did Cheney not publicly support gay marriage purely because his daughters orientation?
    This post is is a great showcase of why I respect most republicans. There is something inherently right about having a set of beliefs, and standing up for them in a logical, rational, and passionate manner.

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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by Tubub View Post
    I really don't want to be the guy defending Rush Limbaugh here, but Bill Gates and a number of other prominent people dropped out of college as well... I'm sure for much different reasons than Rush but still...

    And while your right about Limbaugh putting on a show, I think Coulter is just a nutcase.
    Fair enough.

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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by Tubub View Post
    I really don't want to be the guy defending Rush Limbaugh here, but Bill Gates and a number of other prominent people dropped out of college as well... I'm sure for much different reasons than Rush but still...

    And while your right about Limbaugh putting on a show, I think Coulter is just a nutcase.
    I think Rush Limbaugh believes everything he says.
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    I'm not sure whether the drugster really believes the vitriol he spews or not. I mean, his arguments are so sophomoric and so ridiculous that he can't possibly be that stupid. On the other hand, he has a lot of people who believe what he says which means that people really CAN be that stupid so why not him too?

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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by FlappyTheKinkajou View Post
    I think Rush Limbaugh believes everything he says.
    must he believe so loudly?

    Rush reminds me of a line from Flip Wilson's preacher character Leroy of the "church of what's happening now"....

    A lie is just as good as the truth if you can get people to believe it.

    So many of our pundits out there are telling lies, and an oft repeated lie begins to sound like truth, to the ignorant at least. In fact, it is a basic method of propaganda that is aimed directly at the ignorant among us.
    And the ignorant vote....
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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by Tubub View Post
    What seems to slip your mind is that party's are collections of people. Just like different sects of left-wing people exist in the Democratic party, different sects of right-wing people can exist in the Republican party. Your idea that your view is the only view for the Republican party and then blaming Powell for providing a moderate voice shows your hypocrisy.

    "A state without the means of some change is without the means of its conservation" Edmund Burke, one of the founders of Western Conservatism, said that. Do you understand what that means? Clearly not, your more keen to listen to Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh on what Conservatism is.

    So if Powell thinks failed policies have been endorsed for 8 years, and he has had personal knowledge to support his thought, then why is it somehow un-conservative for him to support someone who provides change? Is it not rationality to support the person who could repair America's image and reverse failed policies? You say you are sticking by your principles, but it sounds more like Powell is sticking by his.

    Conservatism is to be rational and have good judgment. Powell used his good judgement on the color of the situation, not the color of a man's skin.

    "Not seldom has it seemed," Kirk declared, "as if some eminent Neoconservatives mistook Tel Aviv for the capital of the United States." Russell Kirk said that at a lecture at the Heritage foundation in 1988. He would probably puke today.

    Your thought that neo-conservatism and social conservatism are true conservatism is dead wrong. History has a different story to tell, and I think you owe an apology to Lincoln, Teddy, Eisenhower, GoldWater, and Raegan for that matter.

    Anyway, stop recommending to people to leave the Republican party. Instead, leave yourself. I've been in this party all my life and I'm not going to leave just because some arrogant, narrow-minded prick wants to tell me moderates aren't allowed.

    This argument has absolutely nothing to do with the Democrats or partisan politics. This is about the REPUBLICAN PARTY and its future, stop referring back to liberals for your argument.

    In the words of Ronald Reagan: "If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism"

    PS: You earlier insulted Powell for supporting Obama saying he did it purely because the color of his skin. Did Cheney not publicly support gay marriage purely because his daughters orientation?
    Are you a Republican or Conservative? Who did you vote for?

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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I find it amusing that some people here are oblivious to their inability to create a truly coherent sense of neoconservatism. For instance, if Dick Cheney or Rush Limbaugh is to be representative of Neoconservatives (a bit of a mistake, to put lightly), then what do you folks make of FPI and its admitted philosophical embrace of a decent portion of Obama's foreign policy, or dare we say, where neoconservatives agree with democrats on domestic policy?

    I guess "real conservatives" (no matter what school of conservatism they probably designate-they are all "real conservatives" and no one else is) on this board need to use Neoconservatives as some sort of flexible Three Stooges act.
    Based on the "Liberal" definition of neocon, JFK too would meet that criterea.

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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by FlappyTheKinkajou View Post
    The GOP had principles to begin with, and for a while could find arguments for their compromise external to themselves. This is no longer the case.
    What "principles" do the Democrats bring to the table?

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    Re: Hey Truth Detector, there just one line of truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Yeah, you just tell yourself your the popular girl.

    You should not worry about the waders and worry about the fact your getting your clock cleaned in this debate. Again.
    This would be another of those "because you say so" but as is typical of you; nothing based on reality or fact or that this opinion is based on your extreme hyper partisan Liberal biases.

    There is NO debate as to Powell's political position based on his support for a big Government control Liberal.

    What is amusing about this debate is that it is the Liberals in the media attempting to define what Conservatism is and suggest that Conservatives need to be more like THEM in order to obtain political power. I don't expect you to comprehend the irony in such arguments.

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