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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You complained people dredge up stuff from the election... how else are you going to analyze Powell's vote and endorsement without doing that?

    Obama left such a vile trail, a trail that had been dripped out little by little, a vile trail no sane Republican could endorse, and certainly no moderate R could endorse when McCain was our nominee.

    Powell has yet to justify voting for someone who:

    Was the pointman behind infanticide legislation.
    Thinks much of the country are "Bitter clingers".
    Had a race baiting Reverend as his mentor.
    Believes in "spreading the wealth around."
    Has a wife that reflects their disdain for this country; how can you not be proud of America in your lifetime?
    Sought out and worked with a domestic terrorist on two boards.
    Slighted American troops as those who are "air raiding villages and killing civilians.'"

    This is the short list, and any one of these would be enough to dismiss any Republican from voting for such a candidate.

    I do like the fact Powell keeps coming out to speak on the matter because each time he says less and less about why he voted for Obama, and he started at zero, so he's now in negative territory. His public displays also afford the opportunity for Conservatives to ask him once again why he voted for the radical duo of Obama/Biden... it's an indefensible vote if you look at the facts, and with each public appearance on the issue, Powell becomes less and less relevant.

    An aside; after watching Biden in action, I think it's fair to say Palin would do a far better job than Woodshed Joe.

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    I very seriously doubt that any informed voter paid attention to any of those talking points the GOP put out on Obama. I will not even attempt to discuss the whole abortion thing, as it will get us nowhere. As to the bitter clingers remark, I have to say that he never said much, he said there was a portion of the country, and from journals I have read he is right. The GOP, during every Presidential election, has issued propaganda in places like West Virginia saying that whoever the nominee on the Democratic ticket is will "take-away your bible and guns." Such is very true for Kansas. This state has voted Republican for a couple of decades now and is becoming one of the poorest states in the country as jobs leave by the dozens, but they vote on social issues, and the GOP spin machine is wonderful at convincing them of a threat.

    The other things you posted are preposterous and you know it. "Spreading the wealth around," does not mean take from the wealthy to give to the poor. Rather it is pertaining to the necessity of tax breaks on the Middle Class in order to stimulate consumer spending. But alas, most Conservatives believe in Trickle-Down Economics, which has proven time and again to be worthless, just look at our recession. The rest I will not even entertain, it would be like me accusing President Bush of being a terrorist because he entertained the Taliban and Bin Laden family in his home and at the White House.

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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

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    All right then. You guys go with that.

    Pardon me for not responding in depth to your post to me but you lost me when you started the typical insult pattern thing you guys do, somewhere in the beginning, when you called me ignorant. Nothing you had to say after that, (the little I actually read,) mattered.

    But, I might add that to the list of reasons why the GOP is getting slammed left and right. Their offensive way of trying to relate. O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter. It's as if dickheadedness is an admirable quality to these type of people.
    Whatever. I'm just glad they're on their way out.
    AMEN, brother.....
    The GOP needs to eliminate the idea that dickheadedness is a point of honor....
    Offensive behavior by McCain almost turned me away. I voted for the little dick anyway, but in Utah it was a waste of time. He was sure to win here.
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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I very seriously doubt that any informed voter paid attention to any of those talking points the GOP put out on Obama. I will not even attempt to discuss the whole abortion thing, as it will get us nowhere. As to the bitter clingers remark, I have to say that he never said much, he said there was a portion of the country, and from journals I have read he is right. The GOP, during every Presidential election, has issued propaganda in places like West Virginia saying that whoever the nominee on the Democratic ticket is will "take-away your bible and guns." Such is very true for Kansas. This state has voted Republican for a couple of decades now and is becoming one of the poorest states in the country as jobs leave by the dozens, but they vote on social issues, and the GOP spin machine is wonderful at convincing them of a threat.

    The other things you posted are preposterous and you know it. "Spreading the wealth around," does not mean take from the wealthy to give to the poor. Rather it is pertaining to the necessity of tax breaks on the Middle Class in order to stimulate consumer spending. But alas, most Conservatives believe in Trickle-Down Economics, which has proven time and again to be worthless, just look at our recession. The rest I will not even entertain, it would be like me accusing President Bush of being a terrorist because he entertained the Taliban and Bin Laden family in his home and at the White House.
    All the list I mentioned are facts.
    Wright is a race baiter.
    Obama sat on two boards with Ayers and launched his career from his casa.
    He sees not just WV's as bitter clingers, but a broader segment.
    His AG reflected their view of Americans as racial cowards.
    Michelle did say TWICE, she was not proud of her nation... then they inserted a sock in her yap.
    He did push for infanticide legislation to ease the burden on MD's... what a scum.

    Please, don't try to tell me what Obama isn't... his record is public.


    If "trickle down" doesn't work, why does the world get the flu when we sneeze?

    If it didn't work, the EU would have been surfing along, beating America's brains out economically for decades instead of having high single to double digit unemployment rates long before the Freddie and Fannie induced financial mess.

    Instead the best EU countries rank in the bottom five US states.

    Try again.

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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    All the list I mentioned are facts.
    Wright is a race baiter.
    Obama sat on two boards with Ayers and launched his career from his casa.
    He sees not just WV's as bitter clingers, but a broader segment.
    His AG reflected their view of Americans as racial cowards.
    Michelle did say TWICE, she was not proud of her nation... then they inserted a sock in her yap.
    He did push for infanticide legislation to ease the burden on MD's... what a scum.

    Please, don't try to tell me what Obama isn't... his record is public.


    If "trickle down" doesn't work, why does the world get the flu when we sneeze?

    If it didn't work, the EU would have been surfing along, beating America's brains out economically for decades instead of having high single to double digit unemployment rates long before the Freddie and Fannie induced financial mess.

    Instead the best EU countries rank in the bottom five US states.

    Try again.

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    There is so much wrong with the assertions you just made I do not know where to begin. First, I will give you some props for cleaning-up some of your earlier statements that had twisted the actual events, they actually sound closer alligned with the truth, though not quite there.

    As far as trickle-down economics and Europe, your knowledge of this is a disaster. First of all, trickle-down has only been really used by two presidents, Reagan and George W. Bush. Both presidents encountered recessions during their tenure utilizing the practice, though Reagan's was much more minor in comparison to George W.'s due to the Democratically controlled Congress checking some of his measures. President W. Bush ran our economy straight into the dirt with it.

    In regards to your comments about Europe, they are reliant upon our economy for one reason, WWII destroyed them and allowed us to surpass them. Without that war, they would undoubtedly still be the biggest economies. Couple that with neoliberalist economic intergration and you have the current global situation. When turmoil occurs it is able to spread like wildfire.

    Nice Try Though.

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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    There is so much wrong with the assertions you just made I do not know where to begin. First, I will give you some props for cleaning-up some of your earlier statements that had twisted the actual events, they actually sound closer alligned with the truth, though not quite there.

    As far as trickle-down economics and Europe, your knowledge of this is a disaster. First of all, trickle-down has only been really used by two presidents, Reagan and George W. Bush. Both presidents encountered recessions during their tenure utilizing the practice, though Reagan's was much more minor in comparison to George W.'s due to the Democratically controlled Congress checking some of his measures. President W. Bush ran our economy straight into the dirt with it.

    In regards to your comments about Europe, they are reliant upon our economy for one reason, WWII destroyed them and allowed us to surpass them. Without that war, they would undoubtedly still be the biggest economies. Couple that with neoliberalist economic intergration and you have the current global situation. When turmoil occurs it is able to spread like wildfire.

    Nice Try Though.
    LOL... sorry... you're defense of Obama is laughable, Obama's record is public. Much of what I quoted is on youtube.

    Trickle down... exists constantly.
    Sometimes it trickles less; like when government clogs the pipes.
    Then other areas grow, like the black market.

    Much of Europe was destroyed, but the west has been prosperous enough since the mid 1960's. I know... I lived there. I know, I went back and have spent the better part of a quarter century there. North to south, west and former east.

    Their socialist governments have prevented upward mobility. It has halted the growth of the private sector. It has overinflated the cost of basic labor... which is why they have had it tough long before Freddie and Fannie.

    Their labor costs, social costs have priced basic labor out of the market; and former Commi Eastern Europe has gained much of this labor.

    It's why doctors are leaving... it is why wealth is leaving for less hostile waters.

    That cash is trickling elsewhere, or is being hidden until safer waters are in view.

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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    All the list I mentioned are facts.
    Wright is a race baiter.
    Obama sat on two boards with Ayers and launched his career from his casa.
    He sees not just WV's as bitter clingers, but a broader segment.
    His AG reflected their view of Americans as racial cowards.
    Michelle did say TWICE, she was not proud of her nation... then they inserted a sock in her yap.
    He did push for infanticide legislation to ease the burden on MD's... what a scum.

    Please, don't try to tell me what Obama isn't... his record is public.


    If "trickle down" doesn't work, why does the world get the flu when we sneeze?

    If it didn't work, the EU would have been surfing along, beating America's brains out economically for decades instead of having high single to double digit unemployment rates long before the Freddie and Fannie induced financial mess.

    Instead the best EU countries rank in the bottom five US states.

    Try again.

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    And the bottom line really is this, the majority of American's didn't read as much into your talking points as you did. The majority of Americans wanted this man as their President.

    And our country hasn't been destroyed by a nuclear communist bankruptcy bomb carried in by a Kenyan terrorist or a racist preacher.

    Suck it up.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    And the bottom line really is this, the majority of American's didn't read as much into your talking points as you did. The majority of Americans wanted this man as their President.
    LOL.
    Come on... ROTFLMFAO...
    Most Americans that voted for Obama were clueless.

    The press were cheerleaders, they failed to fulfill their Constitutional duty.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53C2-b8BOLs]YouTube - Must watch! HowObamaGotElected.com "Informed" Obama voters[/ame]

    And our country hasn't been destroyed by a nuclear communist bankruptcy bomb carried in by a Kenyan terrorist or a racist preacher.

    Suck it up.
    Lerxst, you're one funny dude.
    No, it's been seven decades of socialist policy that's done the job.
    Obama's here to add the finishing touches...

    and...

    I'll leave the sucking to you thanks.

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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    So Powell wants the GOP to abandon its principles?
    Let's figure it out.

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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    LOL... sorry... you're defense of Obama is laughable, Obama's record is public. Much of what I quoted is on youtube.

    Trickle down... exists constantly.
    Sometimes it trickles less; like when government clogs the pipes.
    Then other areas grow, like the black market.

    Much of Europe was destroyed, but the west has been prosperous enough since the mid 1960's. I know... I lived there. I know, I went back and have spent the better part of a quarter century there. North to south, west and former east.

    Their socialist governments have prevented upward mobility. It has halted the growth of the private sector. It has overinflated the cost of basic labor... which is why they have had it tough long before Freddie and Fannie.

    Their labor costs, social costs have priced basic labor out of the market; and former Commi Eastern Europe has gained much of this labor.

    It's why doctors are leaving... it is why wealth is leaving for less hostile waters.

    That cash is trickling elsewhere, or is being hidden until safer waters are in view.

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    You are mistaken, trickle down does not always exist. There are, or were two competing economic policy ideals. Growth-based, which sought to shift higher taxes on the wealthy business class thereby allowing the Middle Class to keep more money. In doing so the Middle Class (Largest Consumer Base) spends more money on consumer goods and the Wealthy Class reaps the rewards of strong sales. This is a circular based economy.

    Trickle down economics focuses of shifting more tax burden to the Middle Class and placing more capital in the hands of the wealthy, with the belief that the wealthy will invest in new business and create jobs. This form fails for multiple reasons. First, the wealthy save more than they consume, unless they are movie stars or atheletes or music stars, and with the consumer base (Middle Class) possessing less free capital, sales drop. As the U.S. economy is 70% consumer driven the market falls. Next factor is that when the markets fall from less consumer spending, the wealthy shift their investments to commodities, like oil and this dives the cost of gas-up, with other factors as well, and the Middle Class lose even more free capital for consuming goods. Finally, compaines take the free capital they have and invest in foreign countries for the higher returns on their investment, due to low pollution standards, cheaper wages,...etc, and the Middle Class loses jobs. Therefor, trickle down economics is a fools game and the final nail in the coffin came with globalization.

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    Re: Powell cautions against a GOP slide to the right

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    LOL.
    Come on... ROTFLMFAO...
    Most Americans that voted for Obama were clueless.

    The press were cheerleaders, they failed to fulfill their Constitutional duty.

    YouTube - Must watch! HowObamaGotElected.com "Informed" Obama voters


    Lerxst, you're one funny dude.
    No, it's been seven decades of socialist policy that's done the job.
    Obama's here to add the finishing touches...

    and...

    I'll leave the sucking to you thanks.

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    Do you really take youtube to be a credible source of information? Are you fifteen or something?

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