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    Re: Key Democrat warns against 'activist' Obama court nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Can a Democrat filibuster a democrat President and majority congress without getting some form of grief in return?
    Yes, there will be fallout, but situations like this can show how much integrity a politician really has. Is he going to be a whore to the party, or is he going to stand up for what he believes in? Nelson passed that test, and is a stand up guy.
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    Re: Key Democrat warns against 'activist' Obama court nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Probably not, nor is he likely to. I see this as him talking tough to appeal to voters, but suspect he would fall in line in a hurry if President Obama needed him to. Could even be an effort at stealing republican thunder on this. Repubs have been out in force complaining about the potential that President Obama might pick some one objectionable, so Democrats send one of their own out to do the same, then have him praise the nominee, who is likely this week.
    Oh i see ...
    How much control or influence does a President have over the senates? Is it just because they are from the same party?


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    Re: Key Democrat warns against 'activist' Obama court nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yes, there will be fallout, but situations like this can show how much integrity a politician really has. Is he going to be a whore to the party, or is he going to stand up for what he believes in? Nelson passed that test, and is a stand up guy.
    Wouldn't the real test be if he votes against his own party?


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    Re: Key Democrat warns against 'activist' Obama court nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Oh i see ...
    How much control or influence does a President have over the senates? Is it just because they are from the same party?
    The president can say what he wants to be done, or can otherwise veto until his writing hand falls off, he can slow the process down or kill legislation, not set the house agenda outright, but otherwise make things miserable for an unfriendly legislative branch.
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    Re: Key Democrat warns against 'activist' Obama court nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Oh i see ...
    How much control or influence does a President have over the senates? Is it just because they are from the same party?
    President is something of a head of the party, so has a large amount of sway over those senators from his party. Much less with those of the other party. The Vice president is the president of the Senate and can vote in the case of a tie.

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    Re: Key Democrat warns against 'activist' Obama court nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Probably not, nor is he likely to. I see this as him talking tough to appeal to voters, but suspect he would fall in line in a hurry if President Obama needed him to. Could even be an effort at stealing republican thunder on this. Repubs have been out in force complaining about the potential that President Obama might pick some one objectionable, so Democrats send one of their own out to do the same, then have him praise the nominee, who is likely this week.
    I wouldn't be surprised if this was the Dem's tactic. Congressional Republicans are casting around for some kind of rallying point, and I'm sure they're praying Obama nominates someone objectionable. They need some issue they can take a firm stand on and look like a respectable, cohesive party. They're trying to lay the groundwork for an "activist judge" narrative, and this could be the Dems way of cutting them off at the pass.

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    Re: Key Democrat warns against 'activist' Obama court nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Thales View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if this was the Dem's tactic. Congressional Republicans are casting around for some kind of rallying point, and I'm sure they're praying Obama nominates someone objectionable. They need some issue they can take a firm stand on and look like a respectable, cohesive party. They're trying to lay the groundwork for an "activist judge" narrative, and this could be the Dems way of cutting them off at the pass.
    I suspect, strongly, that President Obama is going to go with a very safe nominee. You are right about republicans looking for an issue, and I don't see President Obama giving them an easy one.

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    Re: Key Democrat warns against 'activist' Obama court nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I suspect, strongly, that President Obama is going to go with a very safe nominee. You are right about republicans looking for an issue, and I don't see President Obama giving them an easy one.
    You mean another one? He has already handed them a few, the best so far being Gitmo.

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    Re: Key Democrat warns against 'activist' Obama court nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yes, there will be fallout, but situations like this can show how much integrity a politician really has. Is he going to be a whore to the party, or is he going to stand up for what he believes in? Nelson passed that test, and is a stand up guy.
    Don't you agree that the likelihood of a politician disagreeing with his/her party is so rare that it proves that 90+ percent of them are party whores?

    I mean this with all due respect to those non-political whores who deserve respect!
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    Re: Key Democrat warns against 'activist' Obama court nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    See, i find that amazing. I guess your politicans have more freedom.
    It would be unheard of over here, the whips keep the MPs in line. If a 3 line whip occurs, every party member votes with the Government.
    It's interesting how we seemingly look for greener grass overseas on this issue. Not that I generally agree with UK politicians more or less than US's, but I occasionally hear and see a member (youtube of course) of Parliament who stands up against the odds and provides an impassioned statement that goes against the flow. Perhaps this is all within the same party and I dont' have the total view of UK politics. American politicians seem to me to be more likely today to change parties rather than be an individual within their existing party (i.e. Arlen Specter, (now D), Jim Jeffords (now D), etc.). The days of the Zell Millers (remained D, although outspoken conservative) seem to be long past!
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